<![CDATA[Knightmare Racist]]>Knightmare is idealogy Racist, it is racist against the Welsh. The "Red Dragon" is the national emblem of Wales, its on the Welsh flag and is part of the nation of Wales featuring very much in our folk tales, the Red Dragon is the Protector of Wales acording to legend

So, in Knightmare is it just plain coinseidence (SP) that they use the "Red Dragon" as a baddie? I think not, over the past few years, my Media course has taught me a lot of things about the media, one of those things is that "No media product is innocent" and the conetations (SP) of the Red Dragon in Knightmare is negetive, in Wales the Red Dragon represents Wales, as I am pretty sure it does in most of the UK, making the idealogy of the programme racist, if it was intended, which I indeed think it is, or was accidental which I doubt, unless I have taken a different reading then the one that the writers wanted, which I doubt since I was amoung the target audience for Knightmare, althogh at that time had a total lack of understanding of the media to realise that it had a representation of Wales and the Welsh which is negitive.

The way they say Red Dragon isn't very complimentary, the context it used in the product is negitive, the discription of the Red Dragon is quite offencive.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/topic/1003/knightmare-racistRSS for NodeSun, 13 Sep 2026 05:22:30 GMTSat, 24 Apr 2004 01:14:09 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:23:51 GMT]]>2 green glints appear in the darkness and the edges of motleys Jester garb suddenly become confetti

There's a time and place brother... 😠

perhaps a different thread....

*** the glints fade and no more is seen or heard***

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21896https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21896Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:23:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:09:43 GMT]]>Really, did you say Emii?

Really, really...

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21893https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21893Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:09:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:48:31 GMT]]>Well said. I hope this thread is over, as of now being the last post.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21891https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21891Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:48:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:36:52 GMT]]>claps his paws over his ears and rolls his eyes to the heavens

Good grief! Spell casting K-N-E-E-J-E-R-K...

Didn't Anne Robinson fall into a trap like this not so long ago? If me paws were big enough I'd knock ALL yer heads together!! 😕

This kind of setup is what causes good projects and events to get bogged down in red tape if not cancelled altogether...

This is the kind of setup that puts potential friends against each other and can ruin a damn good thing...

TO THE LOT O' YE:- Take a step back, deep breath, step forward AND LETS TRY THIS AGAIN...

Illusion: If I may ask... Kill this thread.

You wanna talk about evil/good dragons? Fair enough.

You wanna have the occasional 'barny'? Fair enough, within reason...

You wanna cut the bull' that has no place here? please? 😕

I don't intend this as arrogance and I certainly don't want to cheesily call for a group hug. But come on.... We're better than this...

pads slowly away... there's other threads to look at...

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21888https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21888Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:36:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:13:17 GMT]]>Really?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21886https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21886Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:13:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:49:58 GMT]]>He's getting angry... RUN! Comes back

I don't like offending people, it's not my nature...

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21885https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21885Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:49:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:35:57 GMT]]>I think he's gone already.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21884https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21884Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:35:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:05:15 GMT]]>I play d&d a lot and yes red dragons and indeed all chromatic dragons are evil. I cannot see how this can be traced to racism against the Welsh, the red dragon was not used to intentionally offend the Welsh, if anything it was put in by mistake. You really think the writers would go out of their way to offend the Welsh with no particular reason? as Will Lowe says Welsh people don't take offence to this, it seems you are trying to cook up trouble so I suggest you drop this and stop making stupid comments.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21878https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21878Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:05:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:45:58 GMT]]>

But smirkenorf was a green dragon and he was good (actually i think neutral as he liked payment) wheras green dragons are LE in D&D.

True, but since Smirky generally needed a fee to take the Dungeoneer somewhere, he certainly can't be LG. And the reds are CE, which is worse. (well, I'd rather deal with LE than CE, LE can at least be reasoned with)

Or Smirky could actually be a copper dragon with a nasty case of verdigris.

PhoenixFlame: Dragonlance is a D&D campaign setting, that's why all the chromatic dragons are evil in it.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21838https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21838Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:45:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:03:00 GMT]]>If you read the bible it speaks about Dragons and such, (can't remember what colour) but Dragons with many heads flying around the gates of heaven and breathing fire..

So maybe Wales using the Dragon is a way of saying 'we side with the devil' ? huh?

I think not some how.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21833https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21833Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:03:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:41:01 GMT]]>Ah! The white dragons are evil, eh? And as the white dragon represents the Anglo-Saxons in Celtic legend, that means D&D is racist against the English.

Ban it! Ban it I say! Ban iiiiiiiiit!

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21825https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21825Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:41:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:39:09 GMT]]>In D&D, the colour determines both power and alignment (gold dragons are lawful good and can breathe fire or chlorine, crystal dragons are chaotic neutral and can breathe sharp shards, white dragons are chaotic evil (I think, certainly evil) and can breathe ice etc.). There are twenty-three types in all.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21824https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21824Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:39:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:43:48 GMT]]>What about St. George slaying the dragon (at least I hope I'm thinking of the right legend!!). Even though this has nothing to do with St. George's day you don't go round slagging off people who celebrate it because in stories he was supposed to have slain a dragon, do you?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21799https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21799Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:43:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:11:57 GMT]]>In many stories, the colour of the dragon determined what power it had rather than its allegiance. For instance, in one legend a red dragon could breathe fire, a white dragon could breathe acid, a black dragon could breathe poison, a blue dragon could breathe ice, and a green dragon could breathe plague.

All of the above were classed as evil, the colour of the dragons was immaterial.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21797https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21797Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:11:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:41:32 GMT]]>

Well, this has to be the most astonishingly stupid thing I've seen in a while. Just when I thought political correctness couldn't get any MORE retarded...

Look, if you've got a problem with red dragon = evil, I suggest you go start an online petition against Gary Gygax, the creator of Dungeons and Dragons. Because In the D&D system ALL chromatic dragons are evil. Since Knightmare is fantasy-based, I think this just might be the reason why the red dragon is evil!

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the winning teams Welsh?

Very true. In most fantasy worlds, red dragons are evil. Even in stuff like the Dragonlance chronicles they are, along with blue, green and others.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21795https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21795Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:41:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:48:09 GMT]]>If I remember correctly, Gerz, you seemed to be campaigning for something new every two days when you were on msn - have you run out of stuff to blast or something?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21785https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21785Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:48:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:09:10 GMT]]>The Red Dragon in KM has no reference to Wales attached to it. Red dragons also appeared in many branches of mythology all around the world, so why does Gerz reflexively assume that this one HAS to be the dragon of the Welsh flag? If it ever fights against a white dragon that represents the Anglo-Saxons then we can be suspicious, but as things stand the whole topic is political correctness gone silly.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21784https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21784Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:09:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:18:31 GMT]]>And I suppose McGrew was a racist characterization of the good people of Scotland? Get real.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21782https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21782Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:18:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:18:28 GMT]]>When I saw this thread's title, I thought it was going to be about Ah Wok.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21781https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21781Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:18:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:50:40 GMT]]>Ill post something sensible as soon as i pick my laughing self up off the floor

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21779https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21779Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:50:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:49:04 GMT]]>Ok, this has to be the funniest post of all time... sorry, stupidest. Im from Wales, and i can honestly say neither my friends nor myself thought of wales when the red dragons were around, and also, look at it this way Gerz - Smirky = Good and a blue/grey/green colour. Evil dragon's colour? Hmm. Non of them, and opposite. And wait! Lord Fear's eyes are red when he is getting mad... and wait! Mount fear has a red backdrop! Could we use... Red???

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21778https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21778Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:49:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 06:33:29 GMT]]>

Look, if you've got a problem with red dragon = evil, I suggest you go start an online petition against Gary Gygax, the creator of Dungeons and Dragons. Because In the D&D system ALL chromatic dragons are evil. Since Knightmare is fantasy-based, I think this just might be the reason why the red dragon is evil!

But smirkenorf was a green dragon and he was good (actually i think neutral as he liked payment) wheras green dragons are LE in D&D.

yeah, it was clearly biased against wales. i'll tell you what, did you see how the great rift of Angar had hills - it was clearly meant to look like wales and was suggesting wales was an evil place full of stupid trolls.

😛

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21774https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21774Sat, 24 Apr 2004 06:33:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:45:38 GMT]]>All in all many things were used for comedy value in Knightmare. Maybe it was also against Elves and Trolls too? I mean when ever did you see a BRIGHT Troll? Tutut....

Honestly, there are places for political correctness, Knightmare just isn't one of them.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21771https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21771Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:45:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare Racist on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:59:23 GMT]]>Could not agree more ELITA.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21770https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/21770Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:59:23 GMT