<![CDATA[Which Treguard was better?]]>I may have got these a bit wrong if you know what I mean, but I thought I'd do this due to the on going debate. Can't remember if something like this has been done, so sorry if it has been.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/topic/1150/which-treguard-was-betterRSS for NodeSun, 13 Sep 2026 16:34:54 GMTMon, 07 Jun 2004 21:13:00 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:08:33 GMT]]>The 1-3 neutral Treguard was a lot more fun, he took a sadistic delight almost in the teams failure, only advising as much as was needed rather than doing EVERYTHING. 'Oh look master it's a blocker' episode after episode got very tiring with Pickle's inane banter and with Majida it was overadvised and she tended to get annoying, no offence to Majida fans. Neutral also gave some top class lines and didn't help quite as much, he felt more like the 'Dungeon Master' than a leader of good.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25761https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25761Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:08:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:25:15 GMT]]>I also think that Treguard was good with Pickle in series 4-6 , mainly becuase of the use of forests. An elf seemed a good sidekick since there had been an elf in series 3 and because of the role of Elves in mythology.

A genie on the other hand just dosen't seem to fit in since Majida would obviously have come from the middle east. Perhaps here bottle was brought back from the crusades eh. Sytill though she does not fit into northern European style fantasy.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25663https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25663Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:25:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:51:14 GMT]]>I liked Treguard with Pickle, and didn't mind him on his own either, I just never really took to Majida, for some reason, she always got on my nerves! shrugs

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25650https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25650Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:51:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:17:24 GMT]]>The lone Treguard seemed to be far more involved as he didn't have the assistant to contend with. But I think Pickle and Majida were definitely suited to the series they assisted him in.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25628https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25628Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:17:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:26:56 GMT]]>The intro and outro of almost every episode in season one was the same recording. As far as I understand it, they had to stick to generic announcements instead of creating new sequences for each episode due to time constraints. Just one of the many teething problems for any new series I fear. Thankfully they were given far more freedom from season 2 onwards.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25626https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25626Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:26:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:19:59 GMT]]>"Oh dear, what a pity, never mind..."

"...has come to a sticky end..."

"isn't it...?"

Those were the most popular catchphrases I've heard a lot.

And both episode one and two's introductions are very much similar...

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25624https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25624Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:19:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:17:02 GMT]]>"Pantomime"! That's the word I was looking for.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25621https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25621Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:17:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:57:53 GMT]]>The peak of the pantomime came at the end of one of the episodes of series 5, where the camera starts moving away because Pickle has frightened/bored/confused the audience once too much:

Treguard: "I say, you lot! Don't forget to see the next episode of Knightmare!"

Camera goes to black.

Treguard: "Bah! They've gone!"

Hilarious, but not in the way Treguard would have liked it. Compared to series 1, I much prefer the "Why should you care?"

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25618https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25618Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:57:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:10:25 GMT]]>I preferred S4-6 of Treguard, not because of the assistant, it's just that he himself changed!

In the first seasons he is a little too dramatical, I preferred the cooler normal voice rather than one with a whole range of notes thrown in for effect!

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25560https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25560Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:10:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:49:25 GMT]]>And what's wrong with that? Remember, it's the team's adventure, not his. He was there to hint and advise, not take control.

I wouldn't say Treguard became more of a character with the help of assistants anyway. He just got caught up in a lot of inane banter that made him seem like the straight man in a comedy double-act. That's not broadening a character, that's parodying it.

And I think taking away his neutrality was a mistake because a lot of the time it made him look rather stupid. Where the teams needed help, he had to keep quiet to avoid giving the game away. In the early years that was easy enough because he was neutral and so he just chose to keep his mouth shut. However in later years when teams needed help, he gave the impression of wanting to but not knowing what to do, even at times when it was very obvious. As a result he sometimes seemed a bit dense.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25548https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25548Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:49:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:41:38 GMT]]>The addition of an assistant allowed Treguard to become more of a character himself because he had someone to interact with and he had more of a task to help the dungeoneers because he was on the side of the Powers That Be.

The problem when he was on his own he had very little to do and ended up popping through walls in every room of the dungeon saying "Warning Team" or something else lol.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25545https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25545Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:41:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:47:25 GMT]]>I do like the early one.

He just seems to love the whole game.. and not caring if a team dies or not..

The later ones.. he was giving to much advice, and became far to willing to help out,

Did a great job in season 3,

And the 1st time with Pickle was good (Pickle 5 and 6 were terrible) which meant a few hints may have been giving away but at the same time Treguard was also not going to give the game away.

Majida, was far better then Pickle.. didn't speak much, and the arguments was amusing.. but she did give so many clues away... not her fault she didn't right the script.. So i think its safe to say early Treguard,

Mind you he didn't have to compete with Lord fear then, he was in competitions with Mogdred.. Merlin was.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25511https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25511Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:47:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:20:47 GMT]]>I'd say he was better on his own, but Pickle was OK, but I never liked Majida.

I think though that he really needed a squire to be his assistant rather than an Elf.

Also I think there should've been an explanation for why Pickle was his assistant.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25503https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25503Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:20:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:00:21 GMT]]>Treguard was bonkers in series 1 and 2 (particularly 2). I think I prefer that ruthlessness. Back then, the Dungeon was "his lair". I found this more menacing than the situation in later series.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25497https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25497Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:00:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:12:49 GMT]]>Treguard was better developed as a character when he had an assisstant with him. Having now seen some of Series 1 for the first time, I don't like Treguard as the sinister character who knows everything but won't tell you but much prefer the "mad Uncle" of the later years - especially when giving advice to the dungeoneers and his "neice" Majida

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25467https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25467Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:12:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:58:03 GMT]]>Treguard in his pre-assistant days was more consistent with the Treguard in the books - a proper knight and Dungeon Master. I'll happily watch any of the series, but I don't think bringing in a second person was necessary.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25452https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25452Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:58:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:01:16 GMT]]>Treguard was good on his own, and as HStorm said, the assistants tend to gum up the works a bit...

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25444https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25444Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:01:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:35:37 GMT]]>I believe all eras have their merits, although he was more of a Dungeon Master when he was on his own. He certainly seemed to have more mystery sorrounding him, yet when we aw more of his personality as the years went by, some of that mystery disappeared.

There were some veyr good moments with the assistants however.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25443https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25443Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:35:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:32:20 GMT]]>I think assistants just got in the way and slowed the game down even more, while their hilarious (it says here) banter with Treguard turned him into a self-parody.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25435https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25435Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:32:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:40:25 GMT]]>Series 1 - 3

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25430https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25430Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:40:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Which Treguard was better? on Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:35:43 GMT]]>I think Treguard as a single character did better on his own - but overall the show worked better with an assistant.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25429https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/25429Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:35:43 GMT