<![CDATA[Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion]]>Well, seeing as how the full pilot has been made available for download by those nice people at TeleVirtual, I thought that it might be good to start a thread where people can talk about it. This seemed the obvious place to start such a thread - seeing as how the pilot can be regarded as an episode of Km (and a brand knew one, to boot).

(P.S. If you haven't downloaded it already, please remember beveryafraid's request: please download on an even-numbered day if your username starts with A-Q; otherwise (R-Z) download on an odd-numbered day. Also, if you're under 20 years of age, please download before 9:00pm; otherwise download after 9:00pm. This is to ease the load on their website.)

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/topic/1300/knightmare-vr-pilot-discussionRSS for NodeSun, 13 Sep 2026 05:18:13 GMTFri, 20 Aug 2004 15:57:27 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:57:29 GMT]]>The two things I don't like about the pilot:

  1. The dwarf tunnel music combined with the dungeoneer almost dancing down the tunnels

  2. The movement is a little...slow and robotic.

Apart from that everything else is great. Is Sylvester Hands going to make a return?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29615https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29615Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:57:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:06:24 GMT]]>Thanx 4 the info Tim, sorry 2 cause arguments 😕 my next post will contain a completely different subject.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29415https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29415Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:06:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:15 GMT]]>And you can't say fairer than that!!

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29342https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29342Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:35:01 GMT]]>Sorry folks, but I believe you're all getting needlessly bogged down.

Of course I would prefer to use the original theme.

But I can't negotiate for it without financial resources, and in any case it may prove too expensive.Anglia TV's music publishers were bought out by EMI in the 90s.

EMI don't do small deals and I'm not in a position to do big ones. I suggest you drop these arguements or just drop the thread.

bva

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29336https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29336Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:35:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:39:09 GMT]]>Don't start blowing up various companies...it's not polite.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29331https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29331Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:39:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:54:46 GMT]]>

The original theme music isn't an Ed Welch problem. The rights are controlled by EMI music, and you can't haggle with them.

That's why, sorry mate but it really isn't going to happen with the original theme music. No one is pleased about it, most of us are as disappointed as you are but I wouldn't write things off just because of that.
Why do EMI Music control the rights? did they always, or did someone sell them to EMI?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29290https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29290Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:54:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:21:19 GMT]]>No, I still sy the dwarf tunnel music is something I could get used to.

Besides, think of the person who created that jingle, and how upset they would be if they read all this negative feedback.

And I like the different camera perspectives. It always added something to the orginal KM- the s6 ship scenes, and the s5 blockers, to mention two.

The character movements do need a bit of polish, but the templates and foundations are all there.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29274https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29274Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:21:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:41:13 GMT]]>As for the dwarf tunnels, it's a good idea having junctions in them, and I think that the music that was used in them in Series 7 is a must-have (I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this before) - it really created tension that something was about to happen. Other than that, it seems good. I like the idea of the 'slice me, dice me' puzzle. I must admit, I prefer it with just one advisor - after all, a lot of arguing just gets in the way. Maybe teams should be allowed any number between one and three advisors - why insist that there must be a certain number?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29273https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29273Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:41:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:02:44 GMT]]>

The original theme music isn't an Ed Welch problem. The rights are controlled by EMI music, and you can't haggle with them.

That's why, sorry mate but it really isn't going to happen with the original theme music. No one is pleased about it, most of us are as disappointed as you are but I wouldn't write things off just because of that.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29252https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29252Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:02:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:03:14 GMT]]>why would it cost so much though? 😕

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29251https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29251Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:03:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:01:19 GMT]]>Because it's far too expensive.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29250https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29250Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:01:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:48:49 GMT]]>Why is it so impossible to get the theme back anyway? 😕

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29249https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29249Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:48:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:45:29 GMT]]>The theme is something we'd all like to see back, Bags, but if it's not possible then what can anyone do about it? I think the new offering may be just as good or at the very worst tolerable. Remember VR is about more than a minute of theme music and if we obsess about one detail in this manner we won't see the bigger picture. The helmet of justice is missed by me too, the other 2 advisors may be in the real series when it is comissioned.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29248https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29248Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:45:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:26:31 GMT]]>I know, but I would rather the new series had no theme than a new theme! 😕 I can't stand watching knightmare if something like th@ is wrong*. I hated the Activision game I liked it a lot less than I would have if it had had the original theme 4 th@ reason. (it had a theme that activision had composed**)

  • I also dislike these things about KMVR

  1. The ridiculously unrealistic way the characters move in

  2. The way the camera is sometimes attached to the player. 😠

  3. The less than imaginative dwarf tunnels

  4. The absence of the helmet of justice and the other 2

advisors.

** At least i think it was created by someone @ activision. It wasn't a terrible theme, but one that made the game less playable.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29247https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29247Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:26:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:10:28 GMT]]>We have to be open-minded about this - clinging too much to how the show used to be might cause the new show to suffer. After all, Km was always changing and evolving. I understand you - I like the original theme and would very much like for it to be a part of the new series. It isn't likely to happen, though. So, we move on - otherwise it'll make it that much harder for us to accept the new series. The new series could be a very good one indeed but wouldn't stand a fair chance of acceptance if we lived too much in the past. There's nothing worse than a closed mind.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29246https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29246Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:10:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:54:06 GMT]]>There is NO THEME better than the KNIGHTMARE THEME! 😠

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29243https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29243Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:54:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:02:07 GMT]]>Well, the original Km pilot (that has never been broadcast) most likely didn't have a theme tune, either. Please consider what bva said - that this is a sequence and not an episode. A commissioned series would doubtless have a theme tune, though. However, I personally doubt that it would be that fourth variation of the original theme that I'm sure we'd all love to have. We can't have everything, though. Someone will just have to come up with a new theme that's even better.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29236https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29236Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:02:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:20:12 GMT]]>I concur! Knightmare just wouldn't be the same without that oh, so exciting theme tune.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29230https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29230Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:20:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:53 GMT]]>Hope that theory doesn't stick! Since when have you seen a program with no theme... Just imagine Red Dwarf with no theme music, it wouldn't be right!

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29227https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29227Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:45:00 GMT]]>so, NO KNIGHTMARE THEME ON KMVR?

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29218https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29218Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:45:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:37:16 GMT]]>Sorry I misinterperated what you said. Anyway I think this is the post that the Brollachan was referring to:

...The original plan for the pilot sequence (NB NOT episode) was to have the dwarf tunnels fully interactive, with encounters, decisions (junctions), and perhaps some animated monsters (patrolling skeletrons, etc).

Sadly we just ran out of time and resource, so we used the tunnels models in a simple fashion with music as interstitials, to join the scenes (chambers) together.

There is no intention to do this is any production series, because in my view, while it provides continuity, it disprupts the narrative and decreases the tension.

So it was just a stog gap measure.

The original theme music isn't an Ed Welch problem. The rights are controlled by EMI music, and you can't haggle with them....

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29217https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29217Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:37:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:04 GMT]]>I know it is, but i can't find a post containing anything about the original theme 😕

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29215https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29215Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:24:52 GMT]]>That's because his forum name is Beveryafraid or BVA for short.

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29214https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29214Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:24:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Knightmare VR Pilot Discussion on Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:06:00 GMT]]>

It looks good but I was wondering if they would have the orginal them tune. They could keep the theme tune but make it more modern!

I believe Tim Child posted a comment about this a while back saying that this would be highly unlikely.

I can't seem 2 find where Tim Child posted a comment about this. I hope brollochan is wrong... anyone? 😕

]]>https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29213https://www.knightmare.com/forum/post/29213Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:06:00 GMT