TimeGate, on the other hand, is an adult programme (no, not in that sense!) which means we could apply to go on it.

It'll be a VERY different story when the new series airs. A massive new generation of fans will come about, joined by loads more of our generation who will have seen it and remembered how much they liked it, and all the digital channels will be falling over themselves to snap up the rights!  

Hi Guys

Just a thought, when this new series comes out, will they need members of the public(obviously fans) to be in it? can those of us who missed out the first time go on and advise the "dungeoneer"would be great for all of us die hard fans out there!

Is it therefore arguable that had Challenge? released a fair amount of advertising exposure to KM, viewing figures would be higher, or did they do it on purpose to prove their point and justify buying the rights to cheaper programmes rather than those which are highly sought after by fans?

It's hard to say. I'd say it's at least fair argument to make. There was really no attempt to advertise the show from the very start: it's definitely tempting to suggest they didn't bother because they knew the price of getting new series meant they wouldn't give the show a future anyway. However, lack of advertising might be down to plain old incompetence on their part. I think that's an equally plausible explanation given their record.  

I'm interested by what you say about them "proving their point". There's at least one other aspect to this. They get positive feedback on Knightmare by email and on their forums all the time. Of course some of this is from "fans", but I still hold a lot of it is from ordinary viewers who've never been to this site, or who have only done so after seeing the programme on Challenge?. However, by reasoning that all feedback comes from obsessed "fans", they're effectively saying they don't have to listen to any of that feedback because it doesn't represent the views of a cross section of their audience or potential audience.

The feedback that cheap excuse doesn't shield them from is that which shows up quite how badly they've marketed the programme. I think that's the point people are currently making on their forum. It'll be interesting to see if we get an official response.

One is not putting on more Knightmare.

Two is getting rid of all the QUIZ shows and replacing them with dumbass ACTION shows (Boyard). Where's Catchphrase, Trival Persuit, etc?

Three is Bargain Hunt....no-one watches it! HELLO!?

In spite of this, at the end of Saturday's 5pm episode, the presenter said that KM was receiving about as many e-mails as Takeshi's Castle which has been a really popular programme in the recent past.  Is it therefore arguable that had Challenge? released a fair amount of advertising exposure to KM, viewing figures would be higher, or did they do it on purpose to prove their point and justify buying the rights to cheaper programmes rather than those which are highly sought after by fans?

Oh, and Knightmare isn't in the top 10 in any week.

Although this is true, have you noticed what is so weird about all of the programmes that are in the Top 10 nearly every week(look closely and think hard)

YEP, ALL of the programmes listed especially on 16/02/03 had the benifet of advertising, and look at the week before that(9/2/03) WOW all of those again had the benifit of advertising, and look at the week before that(2/2/03) once again all those programmes had adverts ADVERTISING them, Need I go on and on

Simply put, Challenge had the oppunitity to make Knightmare a success but failed in a HUGE way simply because there was no advertising whatsoever. I mean to Challenge Knightmare was a new programme so they should have let the viewers know about it. I will admit here and now that if I did not tune into Challenge at Christmas, I would have NOT known about Knightmare appearing on Challenge throughout Jan and Feb and then it was only by coming on this website that I knew the full details.

It'll be a VERY different story when the new series airs.

IF, Malefact, if.

It's interesting that several people have been searching for the ratings. I've only seen one person accuse Challenge? outright of lying (or at least distorting the truth) about the ratings to get us to shut up, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few more people are at least thinking it.

http://www.barb.co.uk/viewingsummary/weekreports.cfm?Requesttimeout=500&report=weeklytop30

Select the date and the channel to narrow the search a bit otherwise all channels are listed.

Oh, and Knightmare isn't in the top 10 in any week.

However If the comment about ratings is true, then it their own fault. For a start, Knightmare was not advertised on challenge at all whereas many of their other programs are so no wonder many other programs have done better than Knightmare

Also it was on at odd times,I wouldnt call 10AM and 5PM good times to get ratings, I can admit that I could NEVER watch the 10AM showing on saturdays cause my dad always watched Soccer AM, and I could never watch the 5PM showing on Sunday as it clashed with Football. Personally if I had my way, I would have put out Knightmare on earlier in the morning(prehaps 9AM) and again in a late evening slot(7-8PM) I could pretty much guarantee these earlier/later times would have brought in much better ratings.

Also It would be suprising to see how Knightmare does when Series 3 is repeated(I will probably watch them all again despite recording all of them) Dont forget that it can take repeats of programmes to finally get good/better ratings. I could give you many examples of this and lets not forget that even Knightmare was like this at the start, as the ratings never really hit a peak of 4-5 million until the 2nd and 3rd series so I'm curious to see what Challenge might do if the repeats enjoy good ratings?? ?? ??

Challenge need knightmare on more times at the weekend. at leats 4 times for each ep, it would get much more viwers. and as said before the lack of advertisment doesnt help,

'the show simply hasn't performed as well as other shows have in our schedule' Like to know how many and what shows, most viwers of challenge probs been watching challenge for a long time and have gotten used to the shows, also Old people watch the shows they remember, were as knightmares fan base isint really the age range that challenge aims for. Its not going it intrest your avarage 60 year old strike it lucky fan is it? Challenge didnt do anything to help promote the show.

Tim Child himself said that acquiring a series of Km is an expensive affair. As you say, Challenge will bring in the same viewing figures but with cheaper programmes.

Still, at least they know that Km holds some viewing interest.

Or something like that...

Quite obviously nothing anyone says on their forum matters. They've decided that KM has a strong internet presence, and have reasoned that it's just fans trying to keep the show going. It's a nice excuse to ignore everything that's said on their forums and via email.

Well, it is in a way!  ;D

I just don't think they want to listen, and it's quite evident they don't want to disclose the full story. I still maintain that I learnt from one source that the ratings were nothing to do with it. And it takes a lot to believe that ratings-wise Knightmare could be beaten by such shows as It's a Knockout.

Quite obviously nothing anyone says on their forum matters. They've decided that KM has a strong internet presence, and have reasoned that it's just fans trying to keep the show going. It's a nice excuse to ignore everything that's said on their forums and via email.

Roll on Beadle's About.

Oh......poo.  

Indeed.