Before I do so, I'll summarise that facts just in case someone looks at the last message.

• There are no legal episodes of Knightmare available for purchase or download ANYWHERE.

• There are illegal copies around, often for a price.

• Yes, those full episodes on popular video sharing sites are illegal.

• If you involve yourselves with illegally copied episodes, you could be prosecuted.

• Tim has suggested that discreetly, non-commercially, trading episodes within the fan-base is unlikely to attract attention. However, this does not technically constitute permission nor a guarantee that you will not be prosecuted.

• Under the circumstances, this site also considers such things to be immoral, since it deprives the cast and crew (many of whom are friends of this site) from being rewarded. Such copying has also potentially damaged Knightmare's return in one way or another.

• We sympathise with the fact that there is no way to legally obtain episodes of Knightmare at present. However, every so often, attempts for episodes to be made legally available start to surface. Copying episodes makes it less likely that any such attempt will occur/succeed.

• It is against this site's rules to solicit or request any copyrighted material. This includes links or any instructions on how to obtain such material.

• There really is no point in digging this issue up. We've heard it all before and it's not within our power to do anything at all. Let it lie or put your energy to better use, such as finding a way to legally make the episodes available.

Topic locked.

Would it help if I made a grovelling and I mean a very grovelling apology?

I would simply stop talking about it and relax in the knowledge that (at least to my knowledge) nobody has ever been prosecuted or even taken to court for watching anything on YouTube.

Would it help if I made a grovelling and I mean a very grovelling apology?

I am very very 1 trillion times sorry to everyone connected with Knightmare for watching it on youtube. I'll just have to content myself with watching it on challenge at hansel once in a blue moon. The reason I say once in a blue moon is that the dates don't always match up with it being shown. That's only happened three or four times counting the one where i found the show by chance. I really love Knightmare and wish they had a DVD of it as It is one of the best shows ever to exist.

I'll just have to save up a million pounds [which will take forever with what we get] and ask the nice folk at ITV to make me a DVD of all the episodes. I'm counting postage in this.

Sorry ITV for watching it on YouTube. Sorry Pickle. Sorry Treguard. Sorry Tim Child. Sorry Timmy. Please don't throw me to the goblins. I beg for mercy from you all.

Bows at your feet and lowers head. Hoping for mercy yet not expecting any to be shown.

Yes, the YouTube episodes are illegal too, and people shouldn't really do it because it'll discourage TV channels from buying the broadcast rights. But at least the YouTube users don't charge money for them. It's piracy-profits that are the real evil.

I was wondering about youtube....... If the youtube ones were legal or not..... That's a bit of a pain that they're not that legal.... As it is the only way when not at Hansel that I can watch Knightmare. We did have Sky once but the Sky box kept breaking down and Sky doesn't really care about their customers that live in the middle of nowhere so it ended up getting cancelled. Its not always on Challenge when i'm away at Hansel. If we had an official high class dvd of Knightmare with all the series I wouldn't need to worry about Youtube.

Other idea that just came to me. Why don't you have an official Knightmare Youtube channel with high quality episodes [if you don't have an official channel already] and let the young ones like me [and younger] find it. You can mention the official legal channel on the forum.

Is it legal to watch uploaded progammes on youtube or not...... If not I hope i'm not in trouble..... GULP!

There are no legal episodes on youtube.

There are some legal clips on youtube that have been uploaded by ITV. They're about 3-4 minutes long.

We have an official channel (see the social media links at the top of the page).

We cannot upload episodes because the rights belong to ITV and they don't want to give the episodes away in this manner.

Technically speaking, watching illegally uploaded episodes could be considered to be illegal under UK law. Whether ITV consider it worthwhile to pursue you and whether they would succeed is a different matter.

Knightmare.com's policy is that we do not speak of it, nor condone it (even passively).

Yes, the YouTube episodes are illegal too, and people shouldn't really do it because it'll discourage TV channels from buying the broadcast rights. But at least the YouTube users don't charge money for them. It's piracy-profits that are the real evil.

I was wondering about youtube....... If the youtube ones were legal or not..... That's a bit of a pain that they're not that legal.... As it is the only way when not at Hansel that I can watch Knightmare. We did have Sky once but the Sky box kept breaking down and Sky doesn't really care about their customers that live in the middle of nowhere so it ended up getting cancelled. Its not always on Challenge when i'm away at Hansel. If we had an official high class dvd of Knightmare with all the series I wouldn't need to worry about Youtube.

Other idea that just came to me. Why don't you have an official Knightmare Youtube channel with high quality episodes [if you don't have an official channel already] and let the young ones like me [and younger] find it. You can mention the official legal channel on the forum.

Is it legal to watch uploaded progammes on youtube or not...... If not I hope i'm not in trouble..... GULP!

For god's sake people do this all the time.... i was almost fined £1000 for having an illegal copy of Scott Pilgrim VS The World.... Guys please be very careful what you buy and only buy from acredited sources.... you could lose a lot of money >:D

Listen to his words of wisdom. Trust me!

An unrelated American comic.

Of all the forum members who could have said those words, it was a Englishman called Bill(y) Hicks. Just wonderful. I only wish I'd spotted it at the time, as it was the kind of light relief this topic needed!

I'm sorry to sound crotchety, Aldarion, truly I am, but this really is one of those arguments that should just be dropped, and I'm sure I'm not the only who's fed up of it. We've been over all this ground so many times before (not just on this thread), and it seems that every few months someone else always arrives and insists on digging the issue up again. And they never say anything new, and so we end up having to repeat the explanations we've already given many times before.

What's the point of prolonging the argument any further? It's not going to change anything until GM's stance changes, and there is no sign whatever that they are even prepared to discuss Knightmare with the fans, let alone change their policy.

To be quite honest, the argument is long over.

The chances of a commercial release of KM DVDs are zero, it would have happened by now. A few people buying illegitimate copies has not caused this.

Whilst watching, recording and buying knock-off copies is illegal, so is recording songs from the radio, downloading ROMs of old video games and being drunk in a public house (Who can say they haven't?)

The demand for a proper release of KM DVDs would have been suficient to justify a release (Kids programes such as Rainbow and the Dreamstone were released on DVD after all!) but it never has and never will happen.

Unfortunately...

And that, my unfriend, why Chrysalis's argument is valid!! "Piracy" is - first and foremost - the public's response to the inarguable fact that copyright holders the world over are providing an inadequate and/or overly-expensive service!

It may lead to some nasty bgrs latching onto the "over expensive" idea and demanding huge amounts of money for a DVDR (that's human nature!) - but who's to blame? The copyright holders who create the need for such a "service".

The chances of a commercial release of KM DVDs are zero, it would have happened by now. A few people buying illegitimate copies has not caused this.

Whilst watching, recording and buying knock-off copies is illegal, so is recording songs from the radio, downloading ROMs of old video games and being drunk in a public house (Who can say they haven't?)

The demand for a proper release of KM DVDs would have been suficient to justify a release (Kids programes such as Rainbow and the Dreamstone were released on DVD after all!) but it never has and never will happen.

Unfortunately...

If I see someone selling it on ebay I will turn a blind eye its as simple as that reporting it is very petty. If people are willing to pay £50 for one season then its the copyright holders fault for not taking advantage of that.

Since there has been quite a provable upsurge in the interest in Knightmare since that time, I wonder whether it might be worth sending them some more letters encouraging them to reconsider a Knightmare DVD release.

You mention an official release, but that's precisely what won't happen if pirate copies become abundant. This is why we tend to report the profiteers.

Sorry if this 'angers' you (whoever you are), but I suggest you take it up with Granada Media. If they say that they don't mind it, please let us know. If they don't say so, I for one will carry on reporting the eBay pirates.

Can I recommend you please read this...

http://www.knightmare.com/forum/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1;action=display;threadid=2098

... and also read the rest of this thread, as you aren't saying anything that hasn't been gone over many times before.

Please find something to do with your lives rather than spoiling things for hard core fans who now have to go without. I'm very angry about this.

Look at the Red Dwarf DVDs... The amount of people seething in to buy and collect them!

He's uploaded the start of Series 3, cool...
Yeah, I know!

True and true, GaryGarrett is doing it for the good of Knightmare fans and not for the wealth.
I agree. Thanks to Gary it brings back the memories of the game and give me ideas for my comics I've been doodling. XD

People should rot for bypassing the rules of piracy. They could be sued for thousands can't they?