Another appearance by Elita (and more insults ) and they traded the new green gem for the bone they required.

A second encounter with Hordriss. Ben spoke to his advisors a little too loudly, so that Hordriss thought he was being called a dog. Cue outrage from him. They sorted it out and exchanged the bone for two spells "FIRE" and "FREEZE". Hordriss explained that one spell would defeat Aesandre, the other would release their quest object.

In the next room Aesandre appeared and challenged them but they got their retaliation in first and cast "FREEZE", which trapped her.

*Excellent logic from them. You might have expected that an ice sorceress would be defeated by something hot, but the team correctly reasoned that the spell which would release their quest object could hardly be "FREEZE", so they cast it on her instead. Well done! *

The final causeway was straightforward. They were an intelligent team and worked out the patterns easily. They had not moved Ben very efficiently across the smaller hexagonal blocks of the earlier causeways, but this one was a bit more spacious. Halfway down they encountered the SHIELD, frozen in ice, and cast "FIRE" to release it. Made it thru the exit before life-force ran out. Yay! Team 4 were a likeable team who fully deserved their win.

Team 5 (also from Exeter) quickly arrived at the level 1 clue-area. Chose some gold and a mysterious box.

Brother Mace was on ferryman duty for a change and offered them some info during the crossing.

They encountered the glib trader Scaramonger. He gave them some free grub and he was in full flow when the bell sounded.

I can't help but wonder why it's there. I don't recall seeing that particular snake before, and I don't think it has any part to play in this particular quest. Knowing Elita, if they didn't have the gem, she probably would have just left without giving them the bone (and thus them not getting the magic from Hordriss)... but, then again, the bone was in the room all along, so what else would have happened? It's a mystery. I very much doubt the snake would have attacked.

Maybe the snake was just there as an Easter egg by the production team? Very bizarre.

Also, why does Pickle feel the need to ask "What's Elita doing in Level 3, master??", when they saw her there in the previous quest and he didn't wonder about it then!

I don't really understand what prompted all the confusion and conspiracy theories re: Ben's exit after defeating Aesandre? They tell him to go left and he does, they tell him to go through the door and he does. It's true that the audio/visual is a bit unsynchronised, with Ben responding to their directions a moment before we actually hear them, and for some reason the clip of his advisor saying "To your left!" has been looped, cutting off the part where they tell him to walk forward. But there's definitely nothing suspicious going on, it's just a sloppy edit that I didn't even notice until it was pointed out in this thread!

Brother Mace informs Jenna that "the only path to Level 2 from Level 1 in this cycle is to fly on the great wyrm, Smirkenorff". If by "cycle" he means dungeon phase (i.e. the current season), this seems an odd remark for him to make, after he was the one who introduced the Descender!!

Lovely to see the team cheer. They look very chuffed. And who can blame them? An excellent victory.

Theirs is easily my favourite victory. Some of the others were so anticlimactic or awkward, but they seemed genuinely delighted and the final challenge had me on the edge of my seat. I love the overly excitable advisor too, who takes such obvious pride in his spellcasting.

I've just rewatched this quest for the first time in years - in fact, I think it's the longest it's been between me watching two winning quests. I love this team. They're perhaps the youngest team to ever win (maybe tied with Dunstan's team, I dunno really), and they deserved it. There aren't really any signs of being "helped" by the production team (a complaint levied at a few winning teams by some people, although I think that's also unfair). They had a slightly unremarkable start and were quite slow when it came to doing the causeways, but they got better as they went on. The advisors were smart and steady in their thinking, and Ben got a lot more confident as he went along, especially in his talking - he thought for himself.

The dialogue with Elita is a good example. Unlike the team beforehand, who died as a result of taking far too long to decide and provoked her wrath, Ben kept the discussion going, asking her for some magic, information or a bone - giving her a choice; clearly, she had the last of the latter and he kept her interested without trying her patience too much. The scene with Hordriss is the same sort of thing. Not too short, not too long.

Very good guiding on the final causeway. I like this idea of a challenge following the final encounter, and a way back into Knightmare Castle through the front door! Very smart.

Lovely to see the team cheer. They look very chuffed. And who can blame them? An excellent victory.

Aesandra gave a clue by saying "You might as well fight fire with fire" which, rather cryptically, lead to using the FREEZE spell.

Presumably, if the team had used FIRE, Aesandra's would have been stronger and they would have been killed. Does anyone know what level Hordriss is at this Series?

I only as because technically they could have FIREd Aesandra and dispelled FREEZE to free the sword.

Treguard and Pickle present the prize themselves, I believe the first time exactly 2 characters have been presnt at the presentation (we've either had 1 or 3 until now)

Enjoyed the little summary of the winning quest under the titles.

Note that from now on teams are only given the choice of three clue objects.

I think what I'll do is set a VCR timer to tape the 1:30am showing on a spare tape. Then I'll copy the episodes (cutting out titles and ad breaks) onto my main Knightmare tape. Then perhaps I can comment on the eps

The episode resumed midway through Winteria. Elita proved helpful for once and gave them a bone for Hordriss. Then they recount the scroll clue in front of Hordriss..."A DOG? You call me a DOG?". Still, things sort themselves out and our favourite wizard gives them two spells, FIRE and FREEZE. The Amiga powered status bar looked a bit cluttered with both those spells, one can only imagine what it would have looked like with three.

Then came the Block and Tackle...without the blocks, or the tackle for that matter. Aesandre (I wonder if she has a goodie goodie sister called Naesandre?) appeared, and the team correctly spellcast FREEZE to, well, freeze her. They make a quick exit through the left door, after a bit of hesitation.

And THEN came the rather easy final puzzle, in front of Knightmare Castle. But hang on, where did that moat come from? There's no moat in the titles, and it's meant to be on top of a hill! The team knew their Roman Numerals, though, and had no problem doing the first bit. The shield was frozen, so they had to spellcast their other spell (FIRE) to thaw it. Another easy "circle plus square" puzzle followed, and after a cheap sounding fanfare, they became the first people to reclaim the shield! Seems they did it just in time, too, judging by the life force.

The next time are (or were) from Exeter too, which seems like a good omen. Unusually, the first room was a clue room, followed by a boat ride...with Brother Mace as the boatman! Timed out during a rendezvous with Julius Scaramonger...and since it's a double bill, the next episode followed immediately after an ad-break. See you in the episode 10 thread!

Maybe they thought the Block and Tackle (since it was vitually that room where they confronted Aesandre)

Definitely agree with you on that point. Jonathan (I think..) almost tells him it's the block & tackle when they first enter the room but seems to forget what it's called! Until the point where they left I think they were convinced the room was going to "come to life", hence the totally unnecessary panic over the relatively simple process of leaving the room!

I think Ben was guided to the left hand door by a member of the production team since they were that close to victory

I think this is conspiracy theorising gone too far! I'd be very very doubtful of there ever being a need for the production team to actually help a team through an exit. Particularly when the "challenge" of a particular chamber has already been won. The way it's edited does make the scene quite confusing but I'm certain that's all it was - a bit of clumsy editing. Probably because they wasted so much time actually getting out of the room that it wasn't deemed interesting enough to show us every step of their progress!

On a dodgy scale of 1 to 10 i rate it an 8!!!!

Sadly, Jenna, I didn't pay a lot of attention to your quest in the rest of the episode - got distracted by something, was having a quick read and the next thing I knew Time Out! And sadly I may not get to see the rest of your quest...

Enjoy my death on Monday  ;D

This has to be one of the few forums where anyone could say that without people getting very very concerned.

Um, I still haven't posted on Team 4 like I keep meaning to. To save you the trouble of reading my predictable novel on the subject (and me the trouble of writing it), I was going to argue (on and on, probably) how they really didn't have a very difficult dungeon and how in many cases where other teams had to make decisions this team were okay whatever they did. I think "We need a winning team" syndrome was setting in among the production team again. I could back this up with lots of stuff from their quest, but you don't want to hear me waffle any more, so let's just say I put all the evidence in here and you read it, grunted a bit and thought "What a weirdo". Deal?

In answer to some of the questions...

Being the dungeoneer was just the most bizarre thing, and to be honest most of the time I did not have a CLUE what was going on! Try to imagine what it is like, walking round a completely blue room, where you can't see anything except your feet, and meeting characters you can't see, many of whom were new to series 5 so you didn't know if you could trust them or not. My biggest problem was understanding what a lot of the characters said because of the way they talked! I did not understand a WORD that Pixel said to me... hence me saying completely the wrong thing to her and being called stupid! When Brother Mace asked me if I was trying to get to Level 2, it sounded to me like "eleven two", which was why I asked the team what I should say... I mean obviously if I'd heard properly I would have just said yes! And the worst was Lord Fear... I didn't hold the eyeglass, Julius Scaramonger did, and all I suddenly got was a strange voice talking in my ear, again most of which was unclear!

So in conclusion, when you're watching teams, and you think they say the most stupid things, just consider the fact that they may also have encountered some of these problems!

And finally, everyone received a scroll for being on Knightmare, which doesn't seem like much, but the whole experience of filming and being treated like stars, was just so fab it didn't matter at all!

Ok, gotta get back to work! Enjoy my death on Monday  ;D

Jenna

Yeah hi, I'm here! (Jenna - dungeoneer of current team!)

WOW, Hi Jenna, Its great to be in the company of a Dungeoneer who was actually on Knightmare, prehaps I should havew guessed it was someone from the show by your screen name  Incidently Do we have any more people who was on Knightmare on these forums?? ??

Incidently I think you girls had a pretty tough challenge, The Level 1 clue room was complicated and seemed to indicate you should not take or open the box(at least thats what I thought) Also I can see how the causeway you got was probably slighty confusing and seemed a little unfair for Level 1 but thats the way it goes I guess.

Also Jenna, Did you recieve anything just for being on Knightmare or was gifts/prizes only given to winners??

Did anyone think the "Give a dog a bone" meant Festus or Mrs G?

And why did they only need the green gem?  Unless Elita or Hordriss would be offended by the dagger neither that or the gold had any relevance to the quest.

in my view the final puzzle was far too easy.

The roman numerals bit should have been harder, there should have been a situation where it came to 6 and they had to choose between VI or IV.

hey- some people don't know!

Looks at Grandfather (sorry Grandmother) clock I can never remember which is which and get confused. I didn't manage to see the end of the quest Yesterday thanks to our local council's bright ideas, Friday, only a few weeks til Christmas, the bus stopping at literally every single stop, some road resurfacing, etc. etc. I managed to catch the end of the episode though. I have seen the end of the quest (second half of the causeway) though (big thankyou to Illusion ).