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Well I think the reson that Elita gets credited Rightly Or Wrongly with that death is the same as why Honesty Bartram dose for Danial's Death in the CoB in S8.

Because they were the last character they met befor there death and they both dealt with them dodgerly.

Bartman with what may or may not have been a dodgy spell/Potion and Elita running off with out giveing any help.

I think that it could have been any character doing that and they would have got the same responce.

Could have been Hordriss, Motley Or Even Sidriss. Elita also has the dis-advatage of being a rude little cow who some people just despise right of the bat.

Plus a lot of KM info sights class her as a villiness like Morgana and Malice. They don't say she is a nutral because of her attitued they just class her as evil, so that makes it even easyier for people to say she killed that block head of a dungeoneer.

It was their own fault. I'd have liked Elita to taunt them a bit more, to be honest, perhaps throwing a few insults in about Helen for good measure.

I think that it could have been any character doing that and they would have got the same responce.

Could have been Hordriss, Motley Or Even Sidriss.

I disagree. Hordriss or Motley maybe, but no-one could ever blame Sidriss for something like that. For one she's not smart enough to make a "dodgy deal", for another she's so absent minded she probably doesn't even know what the CoB IS.

And yes, that's another thing that irritates me, listing Elita as a villian. She's not evil, she just does what she d*mn well pleases.

Mabey but she sure dose come very close to the thin line between anti-hero/Nutral & Villiane on a couple of occasions.

True but back then I would of I used to hate Sidriss so much. She grated on me like nothing else in KM exept Captin Nemnor.

That time in S8 when Snapper-Jack had her cornerd in the Sewers of Goth I was begging him to kill her.

Then agine my mate hated Elita but adored Sidriss. The week after the CoB incident he was rageig about Elita.

"Did you see what the Evil Little ****** did."

I Won't repeat what he called her but it started with a W and applied to her Sex life.

An anti-hero is not a villain, Skarks. An anti-hero can be either a good guy fighting for the bad guys, or a bad guy fighting for the good guys.

Elita is neither. She is independent and neutral, and the thing is, "neutral" is a term that covers a wide range of attitudes, including many that are self-serving and unfriendly.

Being an elf, she clearly took great offence at how long it took the team in S5 to trust her. For that I can't blame her  -  she may not be jovial, but she was the nearest thing to a friendly face they were going to find in Level 3.

I never said an Anti-Hero was a villiane.

Its just that its a very thin line between eithe deffinition.

One step one way you become a full fledge good guy a step the other way you become a bad guy.

Thats why I hate playing Anti-Heros you have got to be so dam careful how you act in the role or otherwise it dosen't work.

I forgot to add something.

It's actually something I'm glad I didn't think of, because it means it's something noone does criticise (much). But if anyone DID criticize Hordriss or Clifford Norgate they'd probably have my lovely green staff aimed at the base of their skull. Yes, as the thread was originally intended, even if they were making good points.  

*goes back to hoovering wellway room carpet*

I hate playing Anti-Heros you have got to be so dam careful how you act in the role or otherwise it dosen't work.

Interesting you should say that, because anti-heroes are my favourite kind of characters. I haven't done much acting in the past, but when I have I've always found that narrow dividing line you speak of makes them wonderfully unpredictable, and far more complex than an out-and-out hero or villain, who will generally behave in exactly the way you'd expect.

True But I always found thoses type of characters (Heros/Villianes) to have more freedom to the character you can prety much do what you like in a villine role because there are deffinat parameters same as a hero but in an Anti-Hero you are confined to walking a tite rope for lack of a better tearm.

Also I dissagrey about them being more 3D then good guys and bad guys complex yes but not SD. You never really (In my expierence) find out much about anti-heros. While that might work for a character such as Dr. Who a character who is the quinticsencal anti-hero. It dosen't work every time and can leave the audiance thinking well why did he/she act like that.

I don't really agree with any of that to be honest, but I don't want to get into a detail-ridden debate on it. Agree to disagree, yeah?  

Fine By me.

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My word, well how shud I put it it......... I hate Majilda! I hate her with an intesity never before seen!

And why, well here's a quote from S8:

Treggsy: "Welcome back watchers....."
Majilda: "NAG NAG NAG, NAG NAG NAG! NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG!"

LOL. If only they'd not included the direction to breathe, your problem might have been solved.

hey come on, Majida wasn't that bad. I came on here with a similar dislike of her but I have warmed to her and the fact is Pickle was not that great when compared with her!