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Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:14 pm
by AriadnesLayer
I think that's a very reasonable guess!

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 pm
by Drassil
Due credit to TheBrollachan, who had already suggested it earlier in the thread:

TheBrollachan wrote:
Mon May 17, 2004 12:33 pm
Suppose that you may have to rearrange the letters plus the missing ones to make the word/spell.

So if the missing letter was "E" then the word/spell could be:
D-I-C-E

With no theory as to what a DICE spell would have done in this situation, and little challenge for the team in solving a four-letter anagram, my money is still on DEVICE.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:22 pm
by Mashibinbin
DEVICE seems more likely to me also from the clues pointed out earlier.

If Tim was in a particularly (ooh) nasty mood he may have given them two virtually impossible, (*nods to knowing readers) ways into level 3 and a DECIDE spell made one doable in some way.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:29 am
by AriadnesLayer
Drassil wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 pm
and little challenge for the team in solving a four-letter anagram
Oh you mean like "P-a-t-h" and "F-i-n-d" in the great causeway of level 3 in Series 6 as the final challenge before the quest object room? LOL. Indeed.

With that in mind, I can easily believe it to be DICE.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:39 pm
by Mashibinbin
There's absolutely nothing to indicate number of letters here be it 4 or 6. There is equally nothing to suggest anything chance-like such as DICE but Lissard's plan hints much more to DEVICE.

Quote: 'one of which the kidsies need for access to level 3'

Thanks to David earlier for pointing this much more clearly than me! :)

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:02 pm
by Pooka
You're right; with no way of knowing if there were any more rooms following the Trial by Spikes (and, if so, how many), it's impossible to guess. My guess of DICE was based on the idea that whatever was in the room with two stools was needed to complete a spell in its entirety.

I don't think that that's what it would have done, on watching this again. Needless to say the troll was just introduced to give the team a more dramatic death, since life force running out probably wasn't really a reasonable threat in series 6. I'm not sure any spell would need to be used in the middle of a floor puzzle to get rid of a troll (unless it was DICE and the troll would have been sliced into little pieces, but that's incredibly unlikely!).

Mashibinbin wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:22 pm
If Tim was in a particularly (ooh) nasty mood he may have given them two virtually impossible, (*nods to knowing readers) ways into level 3 and a DECIDE spell made one doable in some way.

I like that idea. David's idea of DEVICE might also work, as in: empty room, reveal the Descendor.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:54 pm
by Greystagg
I think ACID is a possibility too. Either as an attack spell or a way to make a hole in the floor as a route onwards.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:28 pm
by Drassil
AriadnesLayer wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:29 am
Drassil wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 pm
and little challenge for the team in solving a four-letter anagram
Oh you mean like "P-a-t-h" and "F-i-n-d" in the great causeway of level 3 in Series 6 as the final challenge before the quest object room? LOL. Indeed.

With that in mind, I can easily believe it to be DICE.

In the case of the Great Causeway, I think the FIND & PATH anagrams were more decorative than anything else, to keep the focus on it being a navigation and speed challenge.

Although every Series 6 team would likely have faced FIND & PATH had they got far enough, I agree that that particular team, Team 5, seemed to be under-challenged (which is not unique among winning teams). Here's my previous post about that.

You could take your argument further back: all the way back to Series 1 Quest 1 Room 1, with the letters of OPEN on the floor. (Though if a simple challenge was going to be anywhere, it would be early in Level 1, and other starter challenges were simpler still.) However, I'm still not sure how closely we can compare any floor challenge with a dedicated letter collecting & rearranging challenge.

The suggestions for ACID sound plausible - an ACID spell could also have dissolved a barrier - but without a theory for what DICE would have done, it's harder to see it as a possibility here.

Re: Series 7 - Episode 10

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:57 pm
by AriadnesLayer
I think people are misunderstanding where I'm coming from.

I'm not advocating for D-I-C-E. I'm not even saying I think it was D-I-C-E.

I'm simply pointing out that it COULD have been, and we have NO way of knowing that it wasn't.

All we can go by is what each person subjectively thinks is "likely". Most people do this by looking at what happened in other episodes/quests. But Knightmare is also full of one-offs. Teams that randomly got a super easy or super difficult challenge in a quest that is never used again. Clue tables which are ridiculously easy in one team. Clue tables with way too many objects and not enough hints in the next quest.

With that in mind, i think DICE is just as likely as anything else.

I do really like the DEVICE theory. I think it fits well. I just don't think liking something is a reason to write off other suggestions. Especially in a show with so little rhyme or reason to so many aspects of it.