Series 4 Episode 14

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Series 4 Episode 14

Post by Tom41 » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:19 pm

I would have posted this earlier, typing up while the ep was being broadcast, but my laptop's power supply decided to fail on me - and the battery was dead. So I had to take the tape to one of my other computers to get it typed up. Plus I had to do the 'forgot password' thing on the forum before I could post it.
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Resumed from time-out with them getting the eye-shield and into the forest.

Came outside the Crazed Heffer inn, with one of those early Pookas floating around outside - so had to get in fairly quickly! Nearly walked into the Pooka before entering the door ;)

Motley was inside the inn, and gave them some food. Then Jeremy told Motley a good joke (the ancient chicken-cross-the-road one), so Motley gave them a JOKE spell in return! Then Motley led Jeremy out of the inn and down the steps, into the forest again.

Next was Oakley's Glen. Oakley set them 3 riddles as usual, they scored 2/3. Gained the information that 'the glove holds nothing', so it was fairly obvious which items to take! (gold and egg-timer). The Pooka appeared again to chase them out of the clearing! I quite like the scary early Pooka music!

In front of the Fortress of Dungarth, an Assassin appeared. At first they tried to run away, but Pickle said that they could just shout at the assassin! I think they got caught by the assassin before they managed to shout at it, but were let off...

Next they found a giant lizard! Treguard suggested they didn't stop too long... so they sidestepped to the right to get away fairly quickly!

In the same area used at the beginning for the 'weeping door', except this time there was an entrance to the moving corridor. A skull appeared so they had to quickly get into the corridor!

Picked up some food in the corridor, then turned over the egg-timer and put it down. This stopped the conveyor from moving, allowing them to escape through a door to the right.

Fatilla the Hun guarded the wellway, and he wanted to 'blip and blop' the dungeoneer with his club! Tried to bribe him with gold, but he still refused to let him through the well - but agreed to make the bashing quick and painless ;)
They had to use the JOKE spell on Fatilla to make him hysterical, then get down the wellway while he was distracted!

Landed on a table. There was a goblin statue with 'evil eyes' which was draining the life force quickly! They took a cloth off the table and used it to cover the eyes of the statue, stopping the life force drain! Motley and Mellisandre came in and congratulated them on their quick thinking!
Mellisandre gave them a riddle, and they gave the correct answer! So the team gained a 'joker' playing card, and exited the room.

sadly we never got to see them use the Joker card, because the next room was the Block and Tackle. Walked too quickly to the left, and the floor crumbled away causing Jeremy to fall down... Ooh, nasty!

Next team was Giles's team. The first couple of scenes seemed to have been edited a lot, notice how quickly they decide what to do with the Spindizzy and get onto the 'cup' path!
Even Treguard's speech sounds edited "Now listen team *cut* Choose now, the quest..." etc. I think they cut out the bit with Treguard explaining about the place of choice and what the two paths are, as well as Pickle saying 'make them choose'.
Is this Challenge editing, or how the original was?
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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by TheBrollachan » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:29 pm

I'm sorry but Treguard asking where specifically the came from was such and obvious set up for Pickle's joke...
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The Block and tackle does seem to be responsible for a high proportion of dungeon deaths in comparision to the amount of times it was used. About 4 times so far I think with 3 of those resulting in dungeoneers being killed.
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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by MoanaLiza » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:43 pm

Tom41 wrote:Next team was Giles's team. The first couple of scenes seemed to have been edited a lot, notice how quickly they decide what to do with the Spindizzy and get onto the 'cup' path!
Even Treguard's speech sounds edited "Now listen team *cut* Choose now, the quest..." etc. I think they cut out the bit with Treguard explaining about the place of choice and what the two paths are, as well as Pickle saying 'make them choose'.
Is this Challenge editing, or how the original was?
I have a feeling that the Place of Choice scene may have been cut slightly, due to Giles team being the last team of the series. I look forward to seeing episodes 15 and 16 on Monday and Tuesday and I presume that series 5 starts next Wednesday. Anyway back to the episode and I wonder if Jeremy would've got out of the B&T had the advisors directed him towards the right door or would he have been hit with a brick.

At the end of todays ep another cheeky comment from the announcer, reguarding hairloss. Don't understand what he was getting at though!
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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by Billy » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:02 pm

So, let me get this straight...Motley's a comedian, yet after all this time, he's never heard the 'Why did the chicken cross the road' joke?
And was it me, or was that Brother Mace behind Motley in The Crazed Heffer? Still, I LOVED the giant lizard, you really believed it was big. If only the team had gone for the right door in the Block and Tackle, rather than the left...

I did like the Challenge announcer comment at the end, though, something like "Sadly, since this episode was made, everyone in it has lost their hair"!

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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by HarveyTowers » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:45 pm

We did however tantalisingly get a quick view of the Assassin's face as they turned around.
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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by keke » Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:36 pm

awww i did feel sorry for the team that died in that episode. Sure there is the stick to the right rule but they were aimed more towards the left door than the right. Maybe i just feel bad because i like it when there is a younger team on. The quest seems to go faster with younger people
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Re:Series 4 Episode 14

Post by Billy » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:09 am

Not only are the lines heavily scripted, but so are the camera angles. "Close up on Treguard, wide shot of Pickle and the advisors, close up on Pickle for the last line, close up on Treguard, quest begins" has been used for practically every episode so far. Series 2 wasn't much better ((Close up on Treguard)"Your next stage is Amber..." (Zoom out to wide shot) "...and on Condition Red, you are in grave peril...").

Enough moaning. Wasn't the music outside the Crazed Heffer brilliant? You had the jolly music of the inn, and the moody undertones of the Pooka making a great contrast. In the inn (ha!), Motley gives them a JOKE spell after Jeremy gives him one about some chicken crossing a road, I forget how it ends.

"Oh-oh" they say as Oakley's face appears, but they do fairly well on his riddles, getting 2. After screaming at an assassin in Dungarth, they find what looks like Brother Mace, still in his lizard form, wanting revenge. Looks like that Etruscan Brandy is more powerful than I thought.

Fatilla appears at the Level 1 wellway again, but they get rid of him using the JOKE spell, which presumably sent a message into Fatilla's brain showing him the CITV schedule in 10 years time. The result is that he begins laughing hysterically, and they make their way into Level 2.

Beware the evil eyes! (?!) Maybe it's a descendant of Medusa, though not as powerful. They throw a cloth over the statue to stop the lifeforce drain, when suddenly Muttley and Smelly Melly appear, congratulating them. They get a joker card after correctly answering Mellisandre's riddle, and exit in triumph. Nothing can stop them now, they're having such a good time, they're having a ball!

Except the Block and Tackle. They go too far to the left, and perish. Shame, they were doing well.

Another new team, then! Giles the dungeoneer, and advisors Robin, Andrew, and 20-foot high Bret. They choose the cup, and begin their quest as we time out. Unfortunately, it's now December...

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Re: Series 4 Episode 14

Post by Canadanne » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:33 pm

Wait a minute... so Motley has a mysterious female friend with long curly reddish hair, who's older than she looks but never seems to get any older, and whom he calls "Mels" while praising her skill at rhyming something with "river"? Now she just needs to call someone sweetie and fall out of a window... come to think of it, she does have a habit of falling through trapdoors without coming to any harm... ;)
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Post by Maud » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:34 pm

Moana Liza wrote:
Tom41 wrote:Next team was Giles's team. The first couple of scenes seemed to have been edited a lot, notice how quickly they decide what to do with the Spindizzy and get onto the 'cup' path!
Even Treguard's speech sounds edited "Now listen team *cut* Choose now, the quest..." etc. I think they cut out the bit with Treguard explaining about the place of choice and what the two paths are, as well as Pickle saying 'make them choose'.
Is this Challenge editing, or how the original was?
I have a feeling that the Place of Choice scene may have been cut slightly, due to Giles team being the last team of the series. I look forward to seeing episodes 15 and 16 on Monday and Tuesday and I presume that series 5 starts next Wednesday. Anyway back to the episode and I wonder if Jeremy would've got out of the B&T had the advisors directed him towards the right door or would he have been hit with a brick.

At the end of todays ep another cheeky comment from the announcer, reguarding hairloss. Don't understand what he was getting at though!
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Re: Series 4 Episode 14

Post by EvelynMason » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:18 pm

This was the episode that was shown by Challenge this last Sunday. Not always possible to take in a viewing at the 10 am start time but they put on again one repeat episode at 11-30 later that night. (Why not both episodes ?) :(

The team came to a premature end with a demise in the block and tackle room (a nasty situation that catches out so many contestants and is so hard to get through) but other than that they were going so well up until that point.

I enjoyed the scene with the tavern (The Crazed Heifer) and the Pooka outside was really menacing and with it some eerie music to add to the suspense. Motley inside was fun as always and a big improvement on Alec Westwood from the earlier series. "Why did the chicken cross the road" - "Stop laughing you lot !" - and then the camera pans to the team in the studio and I'm sure they genuinely believed it was directed at them. ;D

I like the tree 'monsters' such as Oakley the guardian of the forest and the riddles he gave were quite difficult I thought. "What is the tallest tree ?" - I always believed it was the Redwood tree but they never provided an answer for it. I knew the Mistletoe and Sherwood Forest ones but they provided two right answers to allow Oakley to believe they were genuine 'tree friends'

The Olaf type pillager (Fatilla the Hun is his name ?) who accepts the gold (and then changes his mind which I thought was a bit mean spirited 8-o ) is a character I can't really warm to but then I never liked the original Olaf from the earliest series. If they were not in possession of the Joke spell they would have been 'blipped and blopped' by his large cudgel so relief they were able to proceed.

The evil statue with the harmful eyes was a strange moment and not something you would maybe expect to encounter in the series but was impressed that they thought quickly enough to put the towel over it's head to prevent further damage. (I hadn't even thought of that) :-[

Once again the block and tackle room is largely unfair and causes such a state of panic that there's so little time for thinking and dungeoneers (and team) can so easily be panicked into making fatal errors. I don't know (or can't remember) and what stage of the series they removed this from the show but felt sorry for any team that was unfortunate enough to come in contact with it.

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Re: Series 4 Episode 14

Post by s4t8brett » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:13 pm

Thanks, Evelyn!

The team who failed to complete the Block and Tackle in this episode (we met them before and afterwards) did seem to have their dungeoneer continuing to walk forwards towards the wrong exit when the floor fell away. Had the dungeoneer sidestepped to the right they might have made it through. But I agree with what you put about the unfairness and duress caused when encountering the room for the first time!

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