Old age comes to them all

[HStorm]

Yes, she COULD be by your reasoning (although being one of the first humans wouldn't necessarily make her older than, say, Oakley the tree troll or Owen the Dragon). It's just not a certainty.

[Wolfshead]

lillith is not a human, she is a demoness and according to demonology is the wife of Satan.

[HStorm]

Well all right, that's a fair point, but that still doesn't necessarily make her the oldest character in the dungeon, even if we assume she's the same Lillith. (The Lillith in the dungeon is always described as a sorceress, not as a demoness.)

[SemtexJack]

I must admit to being very impressed with how recent threads have been playing out. Very intelligent conversation.

Okay, another probably mute point but I happen to remember Medusa appearing at least once (Series 2 I think) and being referred to as Medusa as well rather than just being a Gorgon.

So how would this be possible? Seeing as Medusa errrr.. lost her head, so to speak. With Pegasus being born from her severed neck!! This happened long before the period that KM is often thought to take place in.

So therefore the historical accuracy of Knightmare is under strong contention. It never claimed to be historically accurate.....therefore Lillith could be the same Lillith as Adam's first wife......or she could be a completely different one.....I guess the only answer could come from Tim Child himself.

[Wolfshead]

Why should she be a different Lillith?

[SemtexJack]

More importantly, why should she neccesarily be the same Lillith.

It is quite possible that an evil(ish) Sorceress was required, and Lillith seemed as good a name as any.

The actual Lillith could have been used as inspiration for the KM Lillith.

That doesn't mean it HAS to be the same Lillith.

[Wolfshead]

What about the refference to the rib bone in Labarynth of Fear?

[SemtexJack]

Not having read any of the books I cannot comment on this.

[Wolfshead]

What about Grippa and Rhak, how old do you think they would be?

[SemtexJack]

Hmmm. Grippa and Rhark.

Difficult one. Not being versed in Goblin lore, I have no idea how long Goblins are generally thought to live to.

Although, if they're under Skarkill's control, I'd imagine they were quite young. No adult would take orders off Skarkill!!!

[Wolfshead]

Do you think that the goblins of series 3 and 4 were Grippa and Rhak or some other goblins.

I think that Grippa and Rhak were in series 3 and 4, they were young at the time and were cught either by Skarkill or by someon else who sold them to him.

This is no impossible since in Henryk Sienciewicz's Krysacy refers to bands of goblins living in the forests.

I also gather that goblins lived in communities and sent out raiding parties, ie. in the forest of Dun. They could be from the forests or the caverns as they were found in the caves at the end of level 2 in s3. Gundrada even called them Cavern scum.

Maybe there are two types, Cave goblins and Woodland goblins.

Regarding their age they could be immportal since they are related to elves or they could probably live a couple of hundred years, but thats a guess.

[SemtexJack]

The relationship to elves I have heard before. Something about basically being fallen elves, something to do with Dark Magic so I suppose they could also be ageless (immortal implies that they cannot be killed)

As for being the same Goblins as in previous series. I would like to think not. I'd like to think that each time we saw Goblins they were different ones. Adds to the idea of there being a whole race of them in the Dungeon, rather than just the two!

[Wolfshead]

When someone is immortal they are ageless but can still be killed by a sword blow for example.

[SemtexJack]

immortal

\Im*mor"tal\, n. One who will never cease to be; one exempt from death, decay, or annihilation. --Bunyan


i.e. Not even a sword blow can kill.

[Wolfshead]

Wow that means Goblins must be virtually gods then.

Given this why do they run from danger, hmmm