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That did cross my mind, but personally I'm as certain as I can be that Dooreen was Samantha Perkins, because of the similarities in the voice and mouth that I mentioned.

While it's not clear why Erin Geraghty only appeared in the later Series 4 episodes, it may be because she wasn't available to appear in earlier episodes. That would rule her out of playing Dooreen, who could have been needed in any quest (and almost was in Quests 1 and 2).
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A post about the 'urban myths' in Watching Neighbours Twice a Day...: How ’90s TV (Almost) Prepared Me for Life by Josh Widdicombe, published in September.

Myth: 'It was actually quite a slow experience all round.'
Reality: Sometimes guiding and manoeuvring were slow. Other times, far from it (Corridor of Blades; hurry-ups like causeway timers and goblins).

Myth: A character might 'make [a team] choose between taking an extra life potion or poisoned apple'. Josh adds: 'It never felt like a particularly tough decision.'
Reality: Knightmare was, in Treguard's words, "no game of numerous lives". The closest thing I can think of to an extra life potion was the poison that Series 4 Quest 6 turned into a life force restorer with their OPPOSITE spell. The closest thing I can think of to a poisoned apple was Mildread's potentially poisoned pie in Series 2 Quest 10. I can't recall any character making such an obvious offer of a useful item versus a dangerous item, though Julius Scaramonger sometimes offered choices.

(Not Really A) Myth: 'Treguard ... often raised his voice to make it feel dramatic'.
Reality: It's a thing actors do.

Myth: Treguard 'would freeze the team on screen and say he would unfreeze them to carry on the adventure next week.'
Reality: I'm not aware of any explicit reference to "temporal disruption" being Treguard's doing - just that he would sometimes warn that it was imminent, as well as being unaffected by it.

(Not A) Myth: 'A rumour went round that a group of children from a neighbouring school had been on Knightmare and managed to complete the adventure (a rare achievement). I didn't see the episode so have no idea if this was true, but the main detail I remember from this gossip was that one of the children was named Dicken Hairs ... Perhaps this was just a myth in my school or perhaps it was the case'.
Reality: Except for the misspelling of Dickon Hares, completely true. This was Series 4 Quest 6 (1990). I include it because Josh has presented it as a possible myth, rather than taking the easy step of checking it. It's not clear why.

In response to this, someone tweeted Josh with the name of Dickon & co's school. In doing so, they presented another possible myth:

Myth: Dickon's team 'got to go on Big Breakfast and Motormouth, it was a big deal.'
Origin: @andyyyborn on Twitter
Reality: Neither of these things has ever been mentioned online before to my knowledge. There've been one or two memories on this forum of Motormouth having a Knightmare feature (search the forum for the word 'Motormouth' to find them). As for The Big Breakfast: it started in 1992, two years after Dickon's quest. If Dickon was on it, it may have been a coincidence. Or perhaps Andy was thinking of a different breakfast television programme. I would love there to be clips to confirm his memories.
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Billy wrote: 16 May 2020, 16:19 Thanks for bringing that to my attention - while Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia for all, I feel quite protective about the Knightmare article as it was me who turned it from a small "stub" article to the bigger one you see today in May of 2005. With assistance from Brollachan (photos) and Drassil (copyediting/factual corrections) of this forum, as well as Tim Child himself who helped me via email!

The reference to 'Helmet Castle Kids' was added to the article on January 24th 2020, by a user's only edit to the website. I'm fairly sure the show doesn't exist at all and it's just someone having a laugh, so as of today I've reverted their edit and removed the reference.
If you search on Twitter for "Helmet Castle Kids", you can find confessions from the culprit. He adds myth upon myth by claiming that he 'changed the name [from] Knightmare to HELMET CASTLE KIDS', whereas in fact he only misnamed the American remake.

Myth: The advisors in one team were shown the chromakey void without the dungeon room artwork and reacted as if this was deliberate.

Origin: A tweet by Russty_Russ in 2020 (and a further identical tweet by Russty_Russ in 2022). The tweet contains a clip of dungeoneer Maeve (Series 1 Team 2) entering the Level 1 clue room and being told she was "in a green room with a table on". Russty_Russ presents this clip, his 'fave moment', as the production crew having 'forgot[ten] to put the fancy computer effects on for the advisers that the tv viewers at home automatically see"'.

Here's an official ITV clip from the scene.

Reality: The scenario that Russty_Russ is positing would have involved a combined level of unawareness and incompetence on the part of production, post-production and advisers that is extremely implausible.

Even if the advisors had somehow been allowed to (unknowingly?) misinterpret the chromakey void as a dungeon room, Knightmare always used bluescreen and never greenscreen. That was pointed out to Russty_Russ in 2020 but didn't stop him sharing his myth a second time with his nearly 28,000 followers.

I can far more easily believe that the adviser, under pressure in the unusual and unfamiliar filming situation, simply said "green" when she meant to say "grey" (the colour of the walls).
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Myth: Some advisors deliberately sabotaged their own quests for amusement value.

Origin: Jamie Andrew's 2022 Knightmare article for Den of Geek:

'Sometimes all four kids had to wait around for an hour or so between 'rooms' while the production team re-dressed the set. Sometimes during these hiatuses a team would grow so bored and restless that upon resumption of their quest they'd intentionally kill the conquestant [sic] just for a laugh. This is why kids aren't allowed to vote or drive.'

Jamie has said on Twitter that he 'extrapolated [this] from an old Guardian interview with Hugo [Myatt] and Tim [Child].' That would be Ben Child's 2013 article for The Guardian in which Tim Child said:

'From the beginning, Knightmare was in crisis because production was terribly slow. The kids would be waiting an hour to film a scene that lasted a minute and a half. Inevitably, they lost enthusiasm and did silly things. Some teams would walk their dungeoneer off a precipice for no reason. Others would put a useless clue into their knapsack and later die in humiliating fashion because they did not have the right key to a particular door, or the right spell to dismiss a monster.'

Reality: There's no record anywhere of advisors deliberately killing off their dungeoneer. Unless any such accounts come to light, Tim's comment about contestants doing 'silly things' is best interpreted as referring to silly mistakes - "Simon, sidestep to your left" being the prime example - as opposed to purposely wrecking a highly sought-after TV experience which the team would have auditioned and travelled miles for.


Myth: The dungeoneer in the opening sequence of Knightmare Series 6-8 (and the 2013 YouTube Geek Week special, and later episodes of Spanish remake El Rescate Del Talismán) is the son of Knightmare creator Tim Child.

Origin: Illusion, creator and former admin of Knightmare.com:
Illusion wrote: 17 Oct 2005, 18:31
keeds wrote: 2 questions that i have often wondered about
1.How did they attract dungeoneers for series 1?Later series could sell on the reputation of knightmare but this wasnt the case in 1987.
2.Who was the kid on series 6-8 opening credits and how was he recruited?
1. Dunno, maybe they asked schools like Fun House did.

2. I believe this was Tim Child's son.
Reality: So near yet so far. It was Tim Child's daughter. Source: Jennie Child herself, via a September 2022 LinkedIn post:

'I spent the summer holidays on set and even managed to become the dungeoneer in the starting credits at one point.'

How pleasing to still be getting new pieces of the Knightmare puzzle 35 years on.

(On reflection, you could argue that more than one person might have played the dungeoneer, but it does appear to be the same person throughout the sequence.)

Ben Child a.k.a. Tim's son played Garstang in the Geek Week episode.
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I was sure that I asked Tim who the dungeoneer was in the intro sequence at the convention and he replied with "just some model" or "just some actor" or something fairly dismissive.

Is it possible Jennie was referring to a teaser rather than the credit sequence itself?

I've just rewatched the opening sequence. I admit I had always thought it was a boy. But now I'm torn. There are some sequences where the gait and arm joint appears feminine. But there are others where it appears more masculine. The poor resolution of the sequence doesn't help.

Overall, I would still guess it's a boy. But I'm now less confident than I once was.
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She could also mean the end credits of some Series 4 episodes, with the dungeoneer wandering around Framlingham Castle?
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Hm, yes indeed. Good point, Canadanne.
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