Knightmare on DVD
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ok, well im glad everyone with challenge gets to enjoy knightmare before an official DVD release while everyone else doesnt.
the fact they you're ALL taping the episodes has just as much an effect on the DVD market as them being online infact more so since illegal tape trading is the reason they haven't been reeased before now. but if we can't all be tarred with the same brush i suggest consulting leggy as too either removing them or keeping the advertising Quiet in future.
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ok, well im glad everyone with challenge gets to enjoy knightmare before an official DVD release while everyone else doesnt.
the fact they you're ALL taping the episodes has just as much an effect on the DVD market as them being online infact more so since illegal tape trading is the reason they haven't been reeased before now. but if we can't all be tarred with the same brush i suggest consulting leggy as too either removing them or keeping the advertising Quiet in future.
Oh yes, Challenge? showing the episodes definitely may have some negative effect on the amount of people who'd want to buy a DVD. However, while I sympathise with this line of argument- I for one have thought long and hard about whether getting Challenge? to show it is good with respect to the chances of long term distribution- I maintain that there are subtle differences between this and the piracy example:
The first is that the showings on Challenge? may directly inform Granada of the show's popularity among viewers, not just among hard-core "fans". Even if they don't know the exact figures, the fact that a fairly major satellite channel chooses to put it on in a primish slot may say more with respect to a potential market than our "We'd all buy a DVD" pleas. The quiet behind the scenes trading just doesn't give such a direct indication of the potential market.
Secondly, with respect to Challenge?, it's less of a zero-sum game. With them showing it, more people are tuning in and getting interested in the show than would otherwise be the case. People who'd forgotten about its existence are now interested again, a lot of them have visited this website, and several of them are now actively campaigning for a DVD release. So although the Challenge? showings may indeed satiate some people's desire, it creates or discovers a greater market than would otherwise be possible. That's not really the case with the unofficial copies/downloads- most people who find and use those were interested beforehand.
Although I'm not suggesting this is exactly what you mean or intend, I'd like to say something about the possible "Well, it's okay for people who get Challenge?, to criticise the illegal copies, isn't it?" argument. While there may be some hypocrites out there, most if not all of the people here who are arguing against the illegal copies have worked extremely hard to get this programme shown on any legal format, whether they have access to it or not. Even those of us who get Challenge? have spent a great deal of time trying to get a DVD release that anyone with the appropriate equipment could enjoy, or for FTN- a free to air channel- to show it. I'm sure we'll continue to do so, too.
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On that note, I can tell all ye who don't know, that there is a campaign on Ftn's forum (started by yours truly - ovation, please!) for them to show Km.
The Km thread has dropped down a bit, I'm afraid. Y'all know what to do!
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but those who dl can equally contribute to DVD campaigning efforts.
anyway, here is how i stand...i realise one person is totally immaterial but this is how i shall act.
I shall be as helpful as possible in securing a DVD release...just ask and it shall be done.
however, while DL is available i shall not deny myself the pleaseure of knightmare
This makes no difference to how much i want the DVD.
edit - just signed up for Ftn and submitted my KM support
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I've just thought up another reason as to why a km DVD needs to be brought out.
If a Km DVD was brought out, those people with laptops that play DVD's could then watch it anywhere, in the garden, on the loo etc etc
Well in would make going to the loo a lot more fun!
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Look it was just another idea that i came up with, i am rather prone to thinking up mad ideas.
And there are peeps that watch DVD's on the loo trust me
Have A nice day!
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Heh, send Granada Media "1001 Reasons Why You Should Do a DVD Release".
No. 372:
If a Km DVD was brought out, those people with laptops that play DVD's could then watch it anywhere, in the garden, on the loo etc etc
Well i[t] would make going to the loo a lot more fun!
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And there are peeps that watch DVD's on the loo trust me
Hmm, but would Granada believe us? Perhaps we should start another petition to prove it to them.
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There was a Knightmare on DVD petition on petitiononline.com created by Adam B in November 2001, but it appears to have vanished. I don't know if it was eventually sent to anyone, or how many signatures it ended up having.
Then in Feb 2002, Adam spoke to someone at Granada Enterprises (the part of Granada that would be responsible for such a DVD release). They said that if enough interest could be shown it would help the chances of a release. As a result a copy of the TES 'Bring Back Knightmare' petition containing some 2000 signatures was sent, but this was an old petition and was not Video/DVD specific. http://www.knightmare.com/tes/petition.htm. There was no formal reply other than Adam receiving an acknowledgement of the efforts.
I think there are two options that could now be explored. Firstly a specific 'Knightmare on DVD' petition could be set up (targeted at Granada Enterprises) using something like http://www.petitiononline.com to collect the signatures. When a suitable number has been collected, it can be easily printed out and sent to them.
Secondly people could also write to them at:
Granada Enterprises
200 Grays Inn Road
London
WC1X 8XZ
They have a website at http://www.granadaenterprises.com
So who wants to volunteer to set up a new petition and manage it?
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well, i've never tried anythinglike this before but am willing to give it a stab.
I'll try the petiononline over the weekend (as for the next two days my efforts are soley concetrated on the 4 a-level exams im taking)
bearing in mind i've never tried it, i may need some help.
just a thought for when the petition is up...we should go around any forums we're part of advertising. i mean, i'm part of three (this being one) and im sure the other two wouldn't mind filling up a petition with signatures...etc.
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A few thoughts on the specific petition:
It can't do any harm. I'll lend a hand in whatever way.
On specific petition people, on the basis of previous experience and evidence from other people, I'd personally advise against using petitiononline. I know of at least one case where a rather extensive petition was lost due to petitiononline themselves, or at least their server/software. In addition, they've had big problems with viruses being spread through their email lists- and you need to give a valid email address to sign it. I gather that the problem has not been solved by their withholding email addresses of signatories. I'd hate to see the KM community afflicted by evil cybergoblins.
Looking around briefly, the main alternative seems to be http://www.petitionpetition.com . They don't ask for email addresses, so there's no way the petitiononline problem could occur there. However, the fact they don't ask for them means the authenticity of signatures can't be checked, which may undermine how effective a petition would be on Granada.
Swings and Roundabouts.
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OK, going totally back on what i just said i looked into petition online just now and it doesn't look too hard at all. What i'm going to type below will be the petitions statement. being a maths student i would appreciate critism/corrections/suggestion...hell, even totally new statements if i totaly balls it up. the better this statement, the more signature we get so...
Granada Enterprises,
Knightmare was the adventure game show created by Tim Child in the 1980's. It ran from 1987 to 1994 testing children's ability to communicate, solve puzzles and socialize. Knightmare was originally broadcast on CITV (Children's Independant Television) but this ended when they felt their target audience's age had dropped below that to which Knightmare appealed.
Unlike many shows, Knightmare has not been repeated and repeated...etc. So far only Sci-Fi and Challenge? have done so and even between them they have not covered all eight series. This means that since 1994, only those with satellite or cable television have had the oppertunity to see Knightmare. I'd like to put some viewing figures here for CITV and challenge if anyone knows them...if they're impressive enough. This is a large fan base which has been starved of access to Knightmare for too long. I therefore suggest that a Knightmare DVD of all eight series go into production. I hope the names, signed below, will give you some indication of the demand for Knightmare which still exists.
Sincerely, The Undersigned
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i dunno, maybe saying somthing about the new knightmare series and how the new market of youngsters will be available?????
edit - I just corrected a typo...please point them and grammer mistakes aswell. thankee kindly
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Good stuff, I'll just chip in one or two things...
Knightmare was originally broadcast on CITV (Children's Independant Television)
Probably no need to say "Children's Independant Television" as they should know what CITV is (being an ITV company themselves).
but this ended when they felt their target audience's age had dropped below that to which Knightmare appealed.
I think more accurately the viewing audience of CITV became younger than Knightmare was aimed at.
Unlike many shows, Knightmare has not been repeated and repeated...etc. So far only Sci-Fi and Challenge? have done so and even between them they have not covered all eight series. This means that since 1994, only those with satellite or cable television have had the oppertunity to see Knightmare.
Could say instead that Knightmare was never repeated by CITV, despite a large number of requests by viewers at the time. While Knightmare has been repeated on Sci-Fi and Challenge? it has only been able to a limited audience who have access to these channels. (Sci Fi did show all eight series).
I'd like to put some viewing figures here for CITV and challenge if anyone knows them...if they're impressive enough.
Knightmare on CITV attacted audiences of up to up to 5 million viewers, making it one of the most popular children's shows of its time. It continues to have cult status with a large fan base and dedicated website [http://www.knightmare.com]. Repeats on Challenge? are generating even more interest from original viewers, and also a new generation of viewers who have not seen the show previously. Also the original makers of Knightmare (Televirtual) are developing a format for a new series which may give more publicity to the show in future. (Challenge? figures probably won't be available to us unless it appears on the Top 10 - even so it won't be a large figure).
This is a large fan base which has been starved of access to Knightmare for too long. I therefore suggest that a Knightmare DVD of all eight series go into production. I hope the names, signed below, will give you some indication of the demand for Knightmare which still exists.
Yup.
Also I'd agree with GG's suggestion to use that other petition site as Petition Online seemed to lose the old petition.
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bleh...i never had cable/satellite so hence my sci fi muck up
thank you illusion. i like all of your suggestions...this is how it reads now. (i want it perfect before we start this petition)
Granada Enterprises,
Knightmare was the adventure game show created by Tim Child in the 1980's. It ran from 1987 to 1994 testing children's ability to communicate, solve puzzles and socialize. Knightmare was originally broadcast on CITV but this ended when they felt their viewing audience became younger than that at which Knightmare was aimed.
Unlike many shows, Knightmare has not been repeated on terestrial television, despite large numbers of requests from viewers at the time. While Knightmare has been repeated on "Sci-Fi" and "Challenge?" it means that since 1994 Knightmare has only been available to a limited audience who have access to these channels. Knightmare attacted audiences of up to up to 5 million viewers on CITV, making it one of the most popular children's shows of its time. It continues to have cult status with a dedicated website [http://www.knightmare.com] and a large fan base which have been starved of Knightmare for too long.
Repeats on Challenge? are generating even more interest from original viewers, and also a new generation of viewers who have not seen the show previously. In addition, the original makers of Knightmare (Televirtual) are developing a format for a new series which would give more publicity to the show in future. I therefore suggest that a Knightmare DVD of all eight series go into production. I hope the names, signed below, will give you some indication of the demand for Knightmare which still exists.
Sincerely, The Undersigned
phew
lol, maybe i should add in:
Remember, "the early bird catches the worm"
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