Knightmare DVD Petition
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You can get so much more stuff on a DVD though and they take up less room!
I think the VHS/DVD debate has been done to death on another thread, but with the price of DVD players coming down and the majority of people owning one (we have 5 in our house) its much more likely they'll be a DVD release, anyway, video quality is, well a bit pants really...
YAY! Illusions got his PVA glue out and sticky stickied everywhere! hehe
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Yep, they're definitely getting cheaper, and as time goes on more and more new computers are being fitted with them too.
The petition is today 2nd in the Popular Petitions list.
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That is good news indeed!
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Once again, my point in being ignored.
I am NOT debating whether VHS is better than DVD, I am stating not every household has a DVD player, and there is still a large enough market for VHS.
I have no real interest in the VHS side of it, as I have 2 machines which can play DVD's, I am speaking for the people who would prefer the VHS.
They should not have to pay £50+ for machinery just because some other people don't care about what others in the community may want.
How many times have I seen the 'closely knit community' phrase mentioned? If it is then VHS should be included in some form of petition, because there are members of the community whom would like it on VHS all the same.
Geez, that was not meant to be a debate about how bad VHS is compared with DVD, it was just a post about equaling things out.
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The core of my post has been ignored yet again. Also, Mem200, it is based on an assumption that these people will buy a DVD player AT ALL, let alone for other things than Knightmare.
I do not understand this hatred for people who want it on VHS, community 'togetherness' doesn't seem to be there.
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what hatred? There isn't a hatred for people who want it on VHS - the way i see it, is that VHS is gradually fading out, and the new market is now DVDs. also, VHS tapes are only designed for 20 playbacks, and therefore not exactly timeless. besides - I bought a DVD player purely to watch my Red Dwarf DVD. then obviously, i bought other DVDs. but there isn't a hatred for VHS - it's just not as popular as would be on DVD
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Here's what Tim Child said about things a few months back:
"Whilst VHS was the common form of video release, issuing an official version of the KM made programs was not considered economically feasible. Now that DVD is in full flood as a format, this has changed, because a DVD release can take place on a much smaller volume market. Granada Media (Anglia owners) are now genuinely interested in doing a DVD release combining all the KM made programmes + extras. However they're still cautious as to how big the market is, and worse still they are concerned that much of the needs of that market have been already met by illegal tape copying "
From that, it seems that Granada are specifically interested in DVD. It sounds like they've discounted the VHS idea entirely- and several of us have tried repeatedly to convince them of the VHS idea in the past and failed. Obviously we might question whether they are right to do so, but surely it seems a good idea to focus on what- from what we know- has a chance of success.
In addition, it does make sense to have a DVD petition separate from any VHS petition. From the above, we can assume that the threshold for a feasible VHS release is considered much higher than that for a feasible DVD release. If we had said "VHS and/or DVD" on the petition, what are they to make of the figures? If, as they seem to strongly believe, the figure did not indicate sufficient interest for a VHS release, but enough for a DVD release, then we may have achieved nothing. For they could say, "Well, there's enough good omens here for a DVD release, but possibly a great number of them really wanted it on VHS; we just don't know for sure which of these people are interested specifically in DVD, so we can't really take much notice of the figures". Okay, the specific wording may come into play, but a specific petition about DVD circumvents the problem.
Of course, therefore, there's nothing to stop anyone doing a VHS specific petition. If they got a massive number of signatures they might show Granada that they should be interested in VHS. Realistically, I think the current tactic is likely to be more productive. I for one would rather concentrate on something that we have strong reason to believe Granada are interested in.
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There was a time when no TV companies wanted KM...Didn't give up then.
I will speak to those who would like a VHS release, and maybe it will have a chance, but no point in giving up so soon.
DVD does have a far better chance, but the case is poor old VHS should have a little chance, at least.
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wow, and i thought i had some quality rage going on.
kieren, i respect your opinion and your arguements have been impressed upon me on more than one occasion. i wish you to know that before you read this...
i hear you talk about community togetherness more than anyone else, yet in the same post it always seems to be critisising members of the community.
we'll take emii's recent thing with janus. now janus may have taken it badly or not but with you saying "why cant we give her a nice welcome?" it made it sound like the rest of us weren't when infact our only fault may have been that we were being "over friendly". i considered saying this back then but bit my tounge for the sake on "community togetherness". im not saying janus wouldn't have taken it badly if you'ld not said that, but after you had we'll never know.
now let me get this straight, the "core" of your post is that some people would like it on VHS aswell. correct? here's my "core" response.
a) the number of people without DVD compared to those with some form of DVD has got to be quite small by now. wether it be PC, DVDplayer, PS2...most people have access to DVD caperble machine (you yourself have two for goodness sake)
b) DVD is much cheaper to produce than VHS allowing, as pointed out by Tim Child (thank you GG), for a feaseble release in the companies eyes.
c) us knowing that granada are specificly interested in a DVD release have started a petition soley for DVD to show granada the interest from us in a product they are interested in producing.
it would be detrimental to the dvd petition to lumber it in with vhs aswell as granada wouldn't have such a clear picture.
now, those are the arguements against vhs petition right now. the only one i've seen you put forth in favour is that "vhs deserves a chance". I have actually said nothing new there. im just trying to show you how we are not ignoring your core arguement at all. if anything you are ignoring ours.
night night all, got exam tomorrow
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It would be shame if it didn't come out on vhs but I think it's probably best focusing efforts on the most viable release option.
On a side note I've noticed that the petition has been noticed by those fine people on the NOTBBC forums so that should hopefully get a few more names on there.
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oh really
could i have a link to their forums please...it's just kind of weird thinking of how somthing created here is getting fame elsewhere. did anyone tell them about it? because i know i spread the word to a couple of forums...not NOTBBC but a few others.edit - dont worry about it, i have the addy after googling my way through.
most gratifying to read, mush more supportive than some on other forums grumblegrumble
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the way i see it, is that VHS is gradually fading out, and the new market is now DVDs. also, VHS tapes are only designed for 20 playbacks, and therefore not exactly timeless.
There was one perticular film when I was much younger which was taped. I watched it day after day, sometimes about three or four times a day, until I could no longer watch it as the tape stretched so much.
I can't understand how VHS is being fased out when they are still making VHS players and they are also making those DVD VHS recorders.
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There was one perticular film when I was much younger which was taped. I watched it day after day, sometimes about three or four times a day, until I could no longer watch it as the tape stretched so much.
I can't understand how VHS is being fased out when they are still making VHS players and they are also making those DVD VHS recorders.
Yeah, I did that with Blackadder hehe
VHS is being phased out, they're still making the players/recorders becuase most people cant afford a DVD recorder yet and apparently there's problems with the formats they record as or summin, I'm afraid I don't know the technicalities (I know thats spelt wrong, but I cant figure out how).
Will we be seeing a Pickle vs Kieran grudge match any time soon then?
hehe
Love to you all
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Yeah, I did that with Blackadder hehe
VHS is being phased out, they're still making the players/recorders becuase most people cant afford a DVD recorder yet and apparently there's problems with the formats they record as or summin, I'm afraid I don't know the technicalities (I know thats spelt wrong, but I cant figure out how).
Will we be seeing a Pickle vs Kieran grudge match any time soon then?
hehe
Love to you all
No, certainly not. I don't see why this has errupted again, was not supposed to be a VHS V DVD battle, saw no harm in helping VHS people, which evidently is not the idea for others.
As for 'grudge matches', I have no inention of getting in to one, seeing as I state my opinions on things quite clearly, and why does Pickle bring up the Janus situation, which was finished with, and sadly seems Janus is too finished with. Something which I am right to feel rather annoyed about.
And as for as community togetherness, this place is not what it used to be at all. Attacks for merely having an opinion didn't used to occur here at all, now they do.
Pickle:
'it made it sound like the rest of us weren't when infact our only fault may have been that we were being "over friendly"'
Well for a start, it wasn't welcoming, I felt alienated by such remarks, and I knew she may feel the same. Janus ha sher own brain, she decided to leave due to those comments, there is little point in saying I persuaded her.
Pickle:
'always seems to be critisising members of the community.'
No, in fact the only time I have taken any singular person to have been causing trouble is that one Janus incident, I don't necessarily see where 'criticising' comes in here, either, if anything my attempt to help the VHS bound people has bene criticised, and I myself have said many times I agree w/ the DVD arguments, but not necessarily that VHS is 'dead'.
You never know, if the DVD petition is successful, it may produce a good backlash for the VHS.
Time will tell.
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I think most releases are on both VHS and DVD anyway. I tried to look at the past releases of Granada Enterprises to see their track record on this but they don't have that info on their website. Does anyone know how common are DVD only releases?
The new petition is unique compared to old Knightmare petitions as it is targeted to one company and specifically on a DVD release as we already know they are interested. I think someone from Granada said they would need to sell at least 2000 copies for it to be worthwhile.
Perhaps the reason why they haven't considered VHS is because they don't think there is enough demand to make it profitable. If there is enough demand, then they would be silly not to do a VHS release. Perhaps they might release a DVD first (which is less risky) to see what the demand is like.
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sigh
ive just lost one huge long post due to it being "too long"
bah, basicly...
roxxy - i want no grudge match. me and kieren have a slight disagreement here i hope to settle calmly
kieren -
a) we respect your opinion, however, that doesnt mean it sahouldnt be questioned. that really a problem for you if you're willing to put it up on a public forum.
b) "i think VHS deservses a chance"...your opinion which i believe you got annoyed at when people ignored as the "core" of your post. firstly your asking us to argue with an opinion which in practice isnt generally worth while. secondly we dont actually disagree. we do however overlook it as we have it as a lower priority.
c) janus stuck in my head as the most recent. while you have a right to be annoyed i'll say that firstly...It wasnt just emii >:(. janus came on strong, we all came strong back in what we considered a friendly way.
d) i dont mean that you intended for janus to see us like that, i know she can form her own opinions but since you saw the danger surely posting "woah, calm down, they're just glad to see you janus dear" would be more productive than "Cant we give her a NICE welcome"
i seriously cant believe you would think we were being anything but friendly.
e)while you appreciate DVD arguements but dont think VHS is dead, we dont think VHS is dead but appreciate the DVD arguements more (maybe more strongly)
f) i agree, maybe DVD will give good backlash for VHS. like i said above
possibly granada will decide of their own accord to release Knightmare on both formats -_^
illusion - I dont know for sure but i know DVDonly is increasing (esp amoung older films...not sure about series) ( i work in vid shop part time)
i think it's directness is our petitions strength. we want this. we want you to give it to us. will you? says it all realy
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Just in case nobody's noticed, this petition is currently top of the popular petitions list, by some considerable way.
Let's just hope the petition continues to grow at this rate.
Edit: it's actually not far behind being in the top 25 of 'biggest petitions', either.
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