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  • OK guys, creepiest spyglass sequence?
    H haymansafc
    General Discussion

    I'm really glad a thread like this has come up as I'm sure I've discussed this elsewhere on the forum in the past.

    For me, as already stated earlier, any which involved Lord Fear gaining red eyes. This used to scare the absolute living daylights out of me. The way he used to just turn or look up to the camera, become near enough expressionless and then those eyes started to glow… Dear me, this used to give me serious creeps…

    I will admit that did actually haunt me for years even after nightmare finished! I used to hate looking at my blank television screen at night incase I looked up from the covers to see Lord Fear's face with the red eyes staring back at me, wanting to freeze me or something. I kid you not…! It actually, genuinely, gave me nightmares!

    True, the spyglass scenes after series six never seemed as menacing, but I still enjoyed them. Mark Knight is a quality actor for sure. I had huge respect for him as a child and especially years later for those red eye stares still playing on my mind…!


  • Scary moments
    H haymansafc
    General Discussion

    Apologies for being late to this thread but I've only just spotted it!

    For me, the biggest fear Knightmare kept on giving me was the Spyglass scenes. As a child, I was absolutely terrified of Lord Fear spotting you spying on him. Not just for him staring into the camera - but that 'red eye' thing he used to do. As a child, I used to watch Knightmare in our living room. Whenever a spyglass scene was played, I'd be around the back of the sofa ready for him to do his stare...

    I swear on my life I'm not lying about this (I have a very good friend who will back me up on this claim) but I had a genuine fear of looking into a blank television set at night for years. I feared I'd look at the screen and I'd see Lord Fear's face with those red eyes scaring straight back at me, ready to 'get' me. I genuinely couldn't face a television set at night in fear of this. I had to look away or be under the covers.

    If Mark Knight ever found out about this he'd probably laugh his head off...! (To a degree I'd like him to know, actually!) That's the big impression he left on me not only during the course of the show, but for several years after it! I'm 29 years old this week - and still to this day I think about this fear I had every once in a while! A fragment of it still survives...

    I can't think of any other show which has left such a large impression on me and certainly not the best part of two decades after it finished. Full credit to Mr Knight! I offer my hand to him on that one...!

    Also from Series 7 when Nicola walks in a pitch black room, you heard loud footsteps. Then you hear Lord Fear laughing as Nicola perishes. That was a bit freaky!

    Oh yes...! I remember that vividly <shudder!>. That was a pretty 'dark' moment in more ways than one! The Goblin Horn was sounding all the time as well as the footsteps. From memory all the hairs on the back of my neck stood up at that moment...


  • WE MADE IT :D
    H haymansafc
    Knightmare Convention

    Given the amount of money needed with barely 24 hours to go, I was genuinely surprised the target was met. I fully expected it to fall short. Not just short, but short by quite some margin which Knightmare really didn't deserve. Not after everything we've all gone though and certainly not after it's exposure on Geek Week last year. I was absolutely gutted with only around 24 hours to go... I really thought 'that was that' and that distant spec of light at the end of the long tunnel signaling a possible return was going to go out for good...

    So when I logged on the following day after the deadline to find it had been met, I can't quite put into words what I was feeling! I was absolutely thrilled to bits and I'm made up for everyone who has been involved.

    Whoever the big donators were really do deserve a huge pats on the back and a handshake from every one of us...

    Unfortunately I've got an awful lot of commitments (family and financial) coming up over the next couple of weeks so I do highly doubt I'm going to be able to make the event. However I sincerely hope it's a great time for everyone who will be there. If I'm not there in body, I'll certainly be there in mind, that's for sure...

    Please take lots of pictures...!


  • 5 characters you'd like to see return
    H haymansafc
    Knightmare a la Maison

    In addition to Treguard, Lord Fear and Lissard, I’d bring the following five back:

    1. Pickle – I know helpers are a bit controversial with some but I had no issue at all with Tregard having helpers. I quickly grew to like him and thought he did add nicely to the dynamic of the show.

    2. Motley – I was a big fan of his and much preferred him over Folly who to be honest I found rather irritating.

    3. Sylvester Hands – One ‘baddie’ who you could feel had a good side in him and one you could get around (if you had the right objects or ‘gift of the gab’) to continue. A really likeable character. Probably my second favourite ‘baddie’ to Lord Fear, actually.

    4. Hordress - As a child I saw him as a large, bold and incredibly powerful character when he wanted to be.

    5. Sidress – I always had a soft spot for her and probably one of the kindest and softest character that the game seen. I always got a sense of relative safety (ish!) when a dungeoneer come to a room with her in.

    If I could bring back another it would have to be Lilith. She just misses out on my own ‘top five’. Indeed, very much a character who could be both reasonably kind to being downright devious and nasty to a dungeoneer. On a similar note, Queen Greystagg would be someone else who’d I’d be very happy to see return if we could have more than five. She’d be battling Lilith for a sixth spot in my list!

    Good old Smirkenorff would be another one on the ‘close / also ran’ list if we could have more.


  • Where an i?
    H haymansafc
    General Discussion

    I know they told the old “In a room” – “I need more than that…!” joke but I chuckled at it anyway. In a one-off special and with an adult team, I did half expect it to crop up. I had no issue with it!

    The ‘Slice Me, Dice Me’ is certainly no room! It’s basically a mammoth pit with stone walls! Caverns are indeed always confused with as being ‘rooms’ – probably one of the most common examples. In real life, you’d struggle to describe a rough stone walled hollow with a gravel/dirt floor and with little or no lighting as a room!

    I’ve always been a bit confused when the advisors just say “a door” or “doors” to describe exits, when in my cases there isn’t actually a physical door there! Maybe a ‘doorway’ would be a better description, ‘exit points’ or even a ‘stone archway’ in which many are – or certainly were in the case of the YouTube special.

    I suppose it’s just instinctive to say ‘a room’ because you’re looking at it on a screen rather than if it were real and you had a 360 degree view for yourself. I have little doubt if I ever appeared as an advisor I’d no doubt slip up and say the same thing myself...


  • props
    H haymansafc
    General Discussion

    It’s good to know that the old props are still around. I’d hate to think of them as simply heading for a skip after the show ended…

    As I mentioned when giving my own review of the YouTube Geek Week episode, I noticed what I think was an old prop that Motley used to use.

    Did anyone else notice Sylvester carrying that red and yellow jester’s head on a stick…? It even had a look of being slightly dulled/dirtied with age, too. Obviously I’ll stand corrected if I’m wrong but it looked very familiar to me.


  • The new KM episode is up!
    H haymansafc
    Knightmare in Geek Week

    Firstly, I can’t quite stress enough how happy I felt when the news came through of a new special episode of Knightmare for YouTube. Also like a child, I was counting down the days until it was released! Yesterday was truly one of the biggest highlights for me in several years. That says an awful lot for a Children’s adventure show which last aired 19 years ago.

    As a fan of the later series, I was over the moon to see the later opening titles retained - which in my opinion are the ‘strongest’ by quite some margin. I couldn’t help but throw a clenched fist into the air and whisper “yes!” under my breath. Knightmare is back...!

    I expected a big ‘build up’ to Treguard’s return and that’s what we got. There’s several ways it could have been done and yes, I would have done it a bit differently too. Yes, what we got was a little long-winded but I had no issue with Daisy/ Verucca as a character. She could easily be developed as Treguard’s new helper should he need one. She’s much, MUCH better than Majida who I always found rather grating.

    Treguard, as ever, superb once he was woken up! He hasn’t lost any of his magic at all. He’s aged considerably better than me over the last 19 years and slipped straight back into his role with ease. It’s the same story with both Lord Fear and Lissard. Both were more or less ‘as you were’. Three very fine actors (special thanks especially to Mark Knight for flying across to film the special) and certainly characters to define Knightmare. Once again, first class performances all round. Excellent.

    There’s a heck of a lot of potential for Sylvester. Knightmare, being a dark sombre dungeon, deserves a sorry looking Jester. I thought he fitted in perfectly. Also, did anyone notice the worn looking red and yellow prop he was carrying in one of his hands? A nod to good old Motley by any chance...?! Didn’t he used to hold that?! A very nice touch if so...!

    The only character I didn’t really warm to was Theodora Snitch. Maybe it’s because we only met her the once...?

    The team? A lot of people have groaned on about them and asked why were they there. The reason for adults on this was because as it suggests - it’s YouTube Geek Week putting the best British YouTuber’s together. They won’t be children..! For this one-off special I had and still have absolutely no problem with adults participating. It’s just a bit different. Yes, the lads were a bit too chatty for their own good and did spoil some of the old atmosphere but come on, they really weren’t that bad considering it’s a one-off episode. There’s several teams from ‘proper’ Knightmare that annoyed me more so. The girl, Emma Blackery, is actually someone who I already subscribe to on YouTube (I was pleasantly surprised to see her take part!) and as the episode progressed, it was clear she was taking it more seriously.

    The rooms used? Well, as we know there wasn’t time to build a new set for Treguard. Of course that would have been ideal but if there wasn’t the time - then there wasn’t the time. No, I wasn’t very happy with the rather basic looking GCI effort but under the circumstances, acceptable for a single episode. Barring cheap looking cobwebs (again, acceptable under the limitations), the rooms used in the quest looked pretty damn good to me. Like ‘polished’ and cleaned up versions of older rooms. Very little to grumble about here. I would have liked to have seen a larger mix used but there we go... Overall, I thought they looked almost production/television ready. My jaw dropped when the ‘Slice Me, Dice Me’ appeared! I never expected that to actually be used! I loved the background noises for it - very intimidating. It’s a pity there was no graphics for the scroll reading or the showing of a hand raising the spy glass (it was just immediately ‘there’ already activated) but again, acceptable and understandable given the limitations. It’s the same story with the door sequences. They were just some rough edges which I’m sure would very easily be resolved with a little more time and money. Absolutely fine for a YouTube special put together with little time.

    The last few minutes were brilliant. Okay, I know the death got some laughs (I must admit that even I found myself sniggering at it and the ‘whilstle’ sound as he dropped to his doom! ) but come on fellow fans - don’t take it too seriously. It’s a special one-off episode with adults - not part of the series. If you want to take some positives, Emma was rather subdued. Treguard’s “Ohhhhhh nasty” was one of the best examples of his famous phrase where it sounded pretty painful and sincere to me! Delayed, I admit but given the previous few seconds, who can blame him?! Of course, with children taking part it would have been different. The hairs on my neck and arms also stood up on end when Daisy and Treguard appeared in that stone coridoor. His deep, echoing and somewhat domineering voice was just as scary as I remember it as a child. Top work to Hugo, there. Also more importantly, it was left open-ended.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it and I’ve read more or less the whole of this thread. With the greatest of respect, I do feel that some people have been overly critical and harsh on this episode. Infact as a fan, I feel like apologising to Tim Child on behalf of some of the comments I’ve read which even I’ve felt rather upset by.

    I have to say I’m very impressed with what has been made. Given the fact it’s not even a televised special episode, I really don’t think Tim Child and his crew really could have done much better. Yes, there’s the odd rough edge and Tregard’s GCI chamber was pretty poor/basic but please remember - it was made with tight time constraints and I suspect with very little money. It was also aimed at a much wider audience than just the older Knightmare fans. I fully understand and respect all of that and I’ve reflected upon this in my own review.

    If they can produce something like that - which in my opinion wasn’t all that far off television quality with what little they’ve had, just imagine what could be done with just another few days worth of editing and a huge heap of money from a broadcaster? We’d end up with one seriously polished and accomplished Knightmare - as long as the original format was retained (it’s the only way it works if you ask me). This YouTube one-off has just galvanised my own opinion that the existing formula still very much works after all these years. However I do agree having children back, or even teens for ease/speed in a ‘proper’ Knightmare series, would be better overall for the game and the atmosphere.

    So, there you go. With the restrictions in place I’d certainly rate it as a good, solid 8/10. Excellent work all round and I only hope this can be the launch-pad for perhaps some more episodes in the future if there’s no possibility for an entire series.

    Again Mr Child, I can’t thank you enough for not only the many memories of Knightmare and the countless hours of fun it brought to me and my friends attempting to play it out in the school playground, but also for putting together this new special episode. I’ll always be grateful for this. I only hope you don’t take some criticisms from others here too much to heart. I for one certainly appreciate the effort you and all your team have put in to make this. Not just for us, but to also try and introduce it to a wider, newer audience.

    I’m also pleased to report that because of this episode (and Knightmare Live), has put me back in touch with an old friend (and fellow Knightmare fan) of whom I’ve not actually seen for close to ten years. So again, thank you to Mr Child on that, too!


  • Long time lurker finally joins!
    H haymansafc
    Newbie Welcome

    Greetings all! It's always best to get the introductions out of the way first!

    My name is Gary and have been a big and somewhat passionate Knightmare fan since, well, a very early age being a once avid CITV viewer! I'm 28 and from Cheshire.

    I first discovered this site some years ago actually but never had enough courage to actually sign up. When I first discovered this site, I was astounded that there are so many people out there who also have this legendary show in their hearts and minds. By the time I went to High School (1997), most people had stopped discussing Knightmare and back then I thought that perhaps I was on my own in having very fond and frighteningly regular memories of the show! It come as a relief to then discover this site after finishing high school!

    So, why did I join now and not sooner? I'm quite a shy person face-to-face so it takes a lot for me to do anything 'public', even if it's just down in words on a forum. However, after hearing news of Knightmare Live and of course the special YouTube Geek Week one-off, I finally thought "Oh, what the heck! Do it!". I will be adding my own thoughts to that thread later on.

    What do I like about Knightmare? Anything, really! Also, I'd like to point out that I'm generally a bigger fan of the later series. Quite a rare thing around these parts which I don't really understand why. I thought they were fantastic! Sure, I'm not quite old enough to recall the first few series when they were first aired but of course have seen them via Challenge TV or YouTube since. About my earliest memory of Knightmare was constantly hiding behind the sofa in fear of Goblins e.t.c and it was certainly before Pickle made an appearance! I was hooked from there on in until the end.

    Me and my best friend we're always talking about it and trying to act it out in the playground! We even set up our team of four (another two Knightmare fans) ready to submit our request to take part on the show! Alas, nothing ever did happen!

    Anyway, enough from me for now. I've typed this all out on an iPod which in itself is quite some achievement in itself but the cause is worth it! I'll certainly be popping by to add my own comments and thoughts in the future.

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