Let Battle... COMMENCE!
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lol is this like a no contest version, as much as I liked Treguard without assistant then Pickle was really funny, especiallly his extra role in the quest in S4! Especially the parts where Treguard was a little friendlier to him. To be honest eeeess too eeeeasssy for Pickle to win this
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Lol yeah the character of Majida WAS amusing at times but the sarcasm and messing around got annoying and repetitive after a while and I just wanted to slap her with a wet fish.
Pickle was a good character: amusing, helpful, unhelpful at times, sulky, enthusiastic, good role-play, but that also got a bit repetitive too. It's difficult.
I think assistants are always fun so long as they don't take up too much of the quest time with banter.
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Has anyone ever heard the expression 'jumping the shark'? It refers to a scene in the show Happy Days where The Fonz made a jet ski jump over a shark. This was seen as a supremely ridiculous plot line, and for many, represented 'the beginning of the end' for Happy Days. Hence, 'jumping the shark' now refers to the moment from which a TV programme may seem to go downhill.
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My point is, I feel on some level that when Majida arrived on Knightmare, the series 'jumped the shark'. It didn't get 'bad', it just got worse. I found Majida badly-acted and unamusing, removing a lot of the 'magic' from the Knightmare formula. I stopped videoing episodes to keep, and my memories of the later Series of Knightmare have basically faded as a consequence. The lyrics I contributed to Emii's 'Knightmare Karaoke' thread, 'Genie From A Bottle', go some way towards summing up my feelings.
But, of course, this is just my opinion.
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Shame there wasn't a s9 for Majida to prove herself...remember it took 3 series for a good Treguard to apear and another 3 for a very good Pickle to appear...
That said, I'm really beginning to like Pickle, so that's another vote for the odd-eyebrowed fella.
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I have changed my mind on this in the past, so there's no guarantee I won't do so again. This is my opinion, my interpretation. Like others, I think I kinda prefer Treguard without assistants, but I'm not going to sit on the fence.
Pickle was okayish, but he was also sometimes really meek and dull. Since he was often sitting on the sidelines, it was sometimes Treguard, the Referee of the Greater Game of Luck and Glory, who had to be enthusiastic when Teams won and he who was angry about the score. I like Treguard as a neutral, but one who's obviously somewhat sympathetic to Teams. A well crafted Majida, especially if given a chance to impress and evolve in a full Series 8 and new Series 9, was better placed to allow Treguard to fulfil that role, since she's more forthright in wanting the teams to do well. Her lines are sometimes repetitive, but frankly I think Pickle's were equally if not more so. JS seems really into the role, she's really going for it, whereas DL, perhaps because of Pickle's lack of conviction one way or another in whether he wants teams to win, seems a bit reserved, less into it. DL fluffs lines and it's obvious, whereas when JS fluffs lines it looks more like it's the character herself who's fluffing her speech because she's so worked up. To be honest, I found the Treguard-Pickle interplay boring, whereas a lot of the Treguard-Majida interplay was fresh and funny, although like all things, it could get boring if the scripts weren't written sufficiently differently. Majida was anxious to see the next episode just like I was. Majida was frustrated when teams threw it away just like I was. Majida wanted to kick Lord Fear's backside just like I did. Perhaps more than anything, Majida was genuinely excited and exultant when a team won. Watch Pickle when the team in Series 5 wins- he hardly seems to convey the tension beforehand, and when the shield is brought in it's hardly like it's the great event we all know it to be, and it's Treguard who has to do all the wow factor. Now watch Julie's Team win in Series 7. Majida is genuinely anxious that Julie won't be able to make it back to Knightmare Castle in time, and when Julie appears Majida is screaming and jumping on the table with excitement. Majida's reaction is so much more akin to mine, complete with the knice reprise of the theme music. I guess in some ways it's what atmosphere you prefer, but that's my opinion, anyway.
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Well, that's evened things up a bit, hasn't it?
I like the two above posts...one gives a thorough thought-provoking analysis, the other...a sincere soundbite. ;D
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Well, that's evened things up a bit, hasn't it?
I like the two above posts...one gives a thorough thought-provoking analysis, the other...a sincere soundbite. ;D
Why thank you, I'm flattered! That's the most sincere I've been all week.
And I also agree that the later shield was a vast improvement on the S5 one. I could swear that I've seen the S5 shield hanging on random walls throughout the dungeon. (usually in Eye Shield sequences)
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I like the two above posts...one gives a thorough thought-provoking analysis, the other...a sincere soundbite. ;D
Hehe. After reading Elita's comment and already on my third paragraph (I edited it a bit in the end) I did say to her that while saying much the same thing, our posts were likely to be pretty different!
well it's nice to know that someone has won. The win in season 5 didn't seem like a win. it was all very slow.
You're right. Somehow it didn't seem too much like a win. While everyone knows I didn't think much of this victory, they still did win, so it'd have been nice to see a little more excitement. It was all a bit low-key, with no Merlin like S4 or Hordriss later on. Pickle added nothing. Considering in S5 they spent so long on non-game elements like boring episode introductions, Smirkenorff flights and Eye Shield sequences, you'd think they might have made a little more of this.
I could swear that I've seen the S5 shield hanging on random walls throughout the dungeon. (usually in Eye Shield sequences)
Yes, it is. There are at least two hanging around the dungeon in S5, but one is the Quest Shield. Treguard should really take more care of it once a team has gone to all that trouble to collect it! I bet it was the Quest Sword in the stone in the Blocker room this season as well.
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I'll bear it in mind for futeur reffrence Zagor
"Grippar, Rhark come here I got someone I wants yer to huntdown for me. Now were did I put the IRONS... Are There they are Hahah LOVELEY"
Anyway befor I take care of that my oppinion on the Pikle Vs Majida debate.
To be honnerst I think Majida was starting to come into her own when Knightmare was end.
She was in my oppinion shapeing up to be as good as if not better then Pickle espescialy in the opaning and end of episoed batter with Tregaurd.
So my Vote gose to Majida
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Who was the best assistant to Treguard??
Pickle:
made his debut in series 4 as Treguards assistant, Pickle is a elf who has a sister called Elita who he thinks is a pain in the neck. he also Likes to help dungeoneers in their quests and even appeared in the game at one time. Pickle would always say stupid things to make Treguard mad at times like trying to persuade the teams to go for a specific quest.
Pickle appearences series 4 - series 6
Banter with Treguard rating 8/10
Madija:
Made her debut in series 7 and remained in knightmare till the end. Madija even presented Treguard and the 1st dungeoneer with the new helmet of justice as the old one was getting well known. She didnt help teams with quest as much like Pickle did but she was a bossy little madam.
Madjida appearences series 7 & 8
Banter with Treguard rating 8/10
as its stands its a tie at 1-1
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I've written a copule of essays on this, one serious, one silly, which are on my website (click on my call-sign to find the address).
My preference is probably Majida, although I thought both of them got in the way really. Treguard never needed an assistant at all!
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Elita wasn't Pickle's sister. The closest thing to them ever being related that was mentioned was:
Treguard: "Some relative of yours, Pickle..."
Pickle: "No kin of mine that I'll ever admit to..."
Or something along those lines - not exactly right, I know, before anyone corrects me.
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According to arcane lore elfin logic is more pragmatic, and sometimes even inverted, from human logic. Therefore they refer to fellow elves as their brethren because technically they are all related through a common remote ancestor. And as elves live for thousands of years, it's feasible to suggest that they'd all get to meet each other at some point in their lives. Therefore all elves are "brothers and sisters". All humans are related in a similar way, but we don't look at it that way because we won't live long enough to meet all our "relatives".
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