Re: Ah-hem.. anyone offer Knightmare recordings on
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Actually there's nothing on this issue in the FAQs yet as I've been thinking about what exactly the guidelines should be on this.
I often get e-mails from people asking if there is anyone who will be able to tape trade etc. and in the past I've recommended they post in the forum to see if anyone can help. When the tape piracy issue came to light a few months ago (mainly as a result of people selling tapes on eBay and not because of the forum discussion) I decided that it would be best that people did not openly discuss tape trading on the forum.
However, by banning all postings on this topic, this means that it is very difficult for people to find someone to trade with. Okay, some of you will say that there shouldn't be any trading going on at all, but as Tim Child said, it is unlikely to attract attention if its 'non commercial and within the fan base'.
I suppose there is a difference in seriousness between someone selling episodes, and swapping with no exchange of money. Of course, both are technically illegal but remember that someone selling episodes on eBay is much more likely to get in trouble then a discreet exchange.
The only solution I can think of is if people want to trade, we recommend in the FAQ that they can ask forum members individually via e-mail or instant message, so there is no posting on the forum and whatever happens is invisible. But then the problem is who should they contact?, since they will not know who has what and can trade. Is there indeed anyone out there who would still trade - if yes obviously we will never know as they wouldn't want to advertise the fact.
Or perhaps I should just say that there isn't any possibility of tape trading anymore, since no one trades and you shouldn't trade because of... etc.
I'd like to know what others think about this.
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Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... I think you lost us.
To be honest the whole "black market" thing is always going to be a catch-22, isn't it? For my own part, as long as a series has not been commercially released on video, I cannot see any problem with making and distributing copies of the material, as long as it's done on a not-for-profit basis - as they generally were on NKTP. If the videos are commercially released later, it's still in the customer's interests to buy them as the picture and sound will likely be of substantially better quality.
As for the FAQ approach, perhaps the best bet is just to send an identical private message to everyone you can find on the Forum asking them if they are able and willing to make copies on the quiet. The worst that can happen is that you receive a bundle of messages saying, "Sorry, no can do."
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I don't understand a lot of the piracy laws, copywriting and legal stuff anyway. When you watch a film on video/dvd the first thing that comes up is all the legal/illegal stuff such as what in and is not supposed to be done. The not supposed to be done stuff includes things like distribution and lending such as a video/dvd is not supposed to shown outside the home - in schools, prisons, pubs, bars, ships, etc. they are not supposed to be lended to third parties, they are not supposed to be sold on, and a whole lot of other stuff. The whole lot goes over my head. People do those sorts of things I mean when you go to a car boot/jumble sale how many stalls do you see with used videos, dvds, computer games etc. which people are selling because they are old or the people have had a clearout. Libraries often have sales of books, tapes, cds, etc. My question is where is the line on piracy and illegalities drawn or is it just a fine line which most people can't figure out. I would have thought that pirating is making illegal copies of something (copywrited) and making a profit out of it. Am I getting the whole above confused with copywriting though?
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Actually, Liza, contrary to popular myth the laws are pretty clear cut. All the things you're listing are illegal and should not be done. For instance, did you know that when you invite your pals round to watch that brand new videotape you just bought half price from the bargain bucket at Woolworths, you are putting a copyright videogramme up to public exhibition without consent, and are thus breaking the law? (I kid ye not.)
But this is one of those numerous areas where the law takes no account of common sense, and so as long as you don't take any flagrantly unjust liberties, the law will usually turn a blind eye. But don't bet your life on it!
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Actually, Liza, contrary to popular myth the laws are pretty clear cut. All the things you're listing are illegal and should not be done. For instance, did you know that when you invite your pals round to watch that brand new videotape you just bought half price from the bargain bucket at Woolworths, you are putting a copyright videogramme up to public exhibition without consent, and are thus breaking the law? (I kid ye not.)
But this is one of those numerous areas where the law takes no account of common sense, and so as long as you don't take any flagrantly unjust liberties, the law will usually turn a blind eye. But don't bet your life on it!
Just a thought though I wonder how many police officers watch videos around each others houses or even at the police station!
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And if memory serves correctly, you're only allowed to keep programmes you tape from TV for 24 hours. I could be wrong though.
Anyway, on the whole copyright palaver I'll say what my dad always does. If they were actually going to enforce these laws (the ones pertaining to selling of secondhand tapes etc) then the expense of bringing all these cases to court would far surpass the actual 'damage' done.
Now, when people start making a PROFIT over copyright crime (e.g. mass manufacture and selling of pirated movies and music) that's when the police are likely to get involved. (and I can assure you that they do, the Barras gets raided every week or so)
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Yes, like a lot of copyright law, it's quite, quite stupid. Lending a book to a friend is ALSO illegal, libraries need to have a license to do so. Hey, when it comes down to brass tacks, even fanfiction can be illegal. But only twats prosecute on something as harmless as that. coughAnneRicecough
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Oh good greif don't get me started on Copyright laws.
I amoung my other pass times am what is comernly referd to as a Themester some one who downloads TV & Film Theme Tunes of the net. I know technicaly I'm breaking the Law but I'm not profiting from it, it is for my own personal enjoymant.
The Copyright laws are stupidety personifeyd. Only when money is being made should it be a crime.
I always thought it was 24 hours as well!! But how stupied is that other fact about it being illegal to invite freinds round to watch a video, I meen thats what I'm talikng abouut.
(Right. Rant over I feel better for getting that off my chest.)
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That's GENERALLY right, Skarkill, but one thing you're missing. Downloading complete material off the internet for personal use can be, and is, unfair as it may be depriving the originators of a fair profit i.e. you'll be taking pleasure from their work without paying them for it.
Therefore only abandonware - material that has been withdrawn from commercial release - should be exempt from copyright. Old eps of Knightmare would generally be seen in this bracket, although again we have to be careful not to make too many assumptions..
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Don't take the remark personally, Skarks. I'm just saying that some downloads are illegal, and the way you described it in your previous post made it sound like the law is totally wrong and that anything should go. I'm just giving an example of where the law has got it just right.
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Before this copyright argument spirals out of control, I had better make the whole Knightmare tape trading business perfectly clear...
NKTP: Neil Jones has not updated this site for a very long time. Therefore, do not take any of the information or contact details there to be accurate at this time. It is also unlikely to be updated in the near future, so it is best ignored.
As far as trading goes, there have been some worries in the past with certain traders making profit on their copying, and indeed on E-Bay people have been known to seel a series for a good £60+. This is why tape trading is, to say the least, not advised any longer.
That is the general story.
As far as piracy law goes, it is very hard to inforce, and as Nic said, a rather discreat transaction is at worst hard to trace, rather than the unfortunate person on e-bay.
So the trick is...Don't use a fog horn when a whisper will do, but do be careful who you're whispering to.
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