Series 3 - Episode 6
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Thought I would dig this thread up from the past for tonight.
Heh, I seem to have notifications enabled for this thread, although I can't see why I would've ticked that box in particular...
Now that it's been raised, it's worth noting that it contains spoilers for the rest of the series, so if we are still trying to avoid giving things away for the people who are only watching it through for the first time, some friendly moderator might want to edit Purgatory's (and possibly mine on the previous page) comments about things happening in later episodes.
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I decided to post this new topic rather than replying to the old one, in case the old topic contains spoilers of the next few episodes.
Mogdred appeared to the team at the beginning, and gave them a GLORY spell - which the team decided wisely they wouldn't use! Then the sword appeared again. Although they disspelled SORWD almost immediately, the life-force drain was accelerated until they used the ENERGY spell to restore it!
Next room, which used to be the Combat Chess room, Mogdred appeared again and summoned a giant snake to come out of the pit! Look closely and you can just see the snake before it fades in!
Next, first appearance of the room with the cat statues firing lasers. The adviser again said it was a timing exercise! Was it really necessary to hold the shield above his head to avoid the lasers?
I've never been able to figure out this room - something to do with the colours of the cat's medals?
In the stained glass room, tried to use the Stardust but nothing happened. Without information from the gargoyle, they took the wrong path - and fell off a cliff! (incidentally, the same background that the previous dungeoneer fell off)
I think, since they were in losing status having failed the gargoyle's riddle, all paths in the stained glass window room were the 'wrong' path. I wonder what the Stardust would have been used for? Or indeed the shield, since they already got past the Medusa (and I doubt it was for the cat statues room).
Next team came into the Dice Room. "You're in a room with no visible means of exit". This time, a shield symbol was above the left door when the dice opened up!
Then, the pool room again. This time, a magic sword came out of the water and chased them all the way to the exit! Notice he seems to walk into the wall as they say 'walk forwards', but were still let into the next room!
In the clue room, notice how they took the orange to restore life force, but then took it out of the knapsack and put it back on the table as Golgarach appeared! The life force animation reset to green, then warped back to amber as he took the orange out! I wonder what would happen if he took out a food item from the knapsack in a later room?
They scored 2/3 on the riddles, and took the horn and the gold.
Chased by an armored warrior in the room which used to be Ariadne's Lair, while a skull blocked the right door. The armored warrior still chased them in the green valley/path area, then cornered them in the room with the waterfall! Used the horn to summon Velda, who shot the warrior to stun him
In the next room, Velda wasn't too pleased with the fact the dungeoneer was carrying the elf-horn! Had to give it back to her.
This time, Mrs Grimwold (and Festus) were in the kitchen instead of the wellway room! How could the dungeoneer see the pie far away without tilting his head back or removing the helmet?
Timed out after he got the pie.
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Another fantastic recap as usual, Tom41!
Yes, it's the medal colours in the cat room you need to look out for- when they're green, they're safe, when they're amber, don't jump, and when they're red it means they're about to fire the laser. It's a bit like traffic lights. The 'bat' in the stained glass room looked a little, erm, cheap, although this IS 1989. I noticed the 'between room' sound effect was lower pitch than usual, and I've no idea how James knew there was a pie on the far side of the room- perhaps he was told to say it by a production staff member off screen?
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half and half this ep,
1st half is great. 2nd half new team is rubbish.. they are terrible, very slow in that green vale.
is level 2 shorter than level 1?
I always forget that the green vale is level 1 and the caves is level 2..
Well lots of sword action.. with seen Mogdred cast up a sword twice now (s4) so i guess all swords are Mogdred doing. and in the stain glass it looks like the took the correct path... same path as season 2, and I'm sure you could see a mark on the path..
They should have tyred that glory spell.
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Now what did I see tonight then. I managed to turn to Challenge just before the end of the opening subtitles for the first time in a while. So the ep starts more or left where the last one ended, in the clueroom. Mogdred also appeared. Next room with a pit and Mogdred's trademark evil scary laugh, which a snake then appears. Reminds me of the room with the dreaded Kar. For some reason I then went out of the room to do something, only to discover a plague of ants, half of which were queen ants and a dozen or two ants nests in my garden. After spending the next 10-15 minutes trying to get rid of them I finally rejoined to watch the rest of the ep, which I'd already missed half of and to see the knew team with James in the clue room. Saw James being approached by a warrier in the room with the entrance to the long green cavern path, follwed along the path and then blocked. Team decide to blow the horn, which summons Velda who defeats the warrier. In the next room Velda asks James where he found the horn and demands it be returned to her. In the kitchen Mrs G is sitting at a table with a few bones on. After telling James about not standing about for too long where he is, she wants to know what he has for her. He offers her the gold which she is pleased with. After she leaves Treguard warns them that James needs food and so he is directed to the table and instructed to put a bone in the knapsack. Treguard says that that is not food and James mentions that he could see a pie. He is asked to go over to the pie and told to put it in his knapsack. Temperal disruption occurs as they are about to exit the kitchen.
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The progress report was a spoiler, suggesting that they "blundered."
Mogdred tempted the dungeoneer to take of the Helmut, told them the objects were useless and that GLORY was the spell they should use.
Tok the Stardust and the Shield, probably the right objects. Dispelled the sword but had to use their lifeforce spell.
Tried to take the stairs but "the only was is downward" and arrived in Ka's room.
Bit of an odd one next, I wasn't sure that the floor was filled in either.
Notice they though the Chalice piece was a candlestick.
Into the stained glass room. Note the bat. Tried the stardust to reveal the path. Since missing the clue they
have become very unsure of what to do. I reckon that the gargolye would have given them a spell to reveal
their path.
Fell out of the dungeon but were UNITEd instead of DISMISSed. Became champions for getting the furthest.
New team. Through the sheild door into the pool room where a sword came out of the water.
Into Golgarach's room where they scored 2 out of 3.
Told to take the horn of "Elvandis" and that the first step was the salute.
Followed the the Behemoth and had to "sound the alarm" which summoned Velda.
Met Mrs Grimwold in the Kitchen. Tried to take a bone for food but they found a pie on the range.
Just made it to the door at timeout.
On the subject of the pie (whether he saw it) if you remeber in the Challenge documentary someone (I think Hugo Matt) says that if they tipped their head back they could see across the room and would then be blindfolde, which would make it very difficult in Clue Rooms and when walking about (i.e. as long as you can see your feet you are steady) I remeber an incident in a later series when, after casting a SIGHT spell the dungeoneer still couldn't see the puzzle.
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I actually think Leo had the right idea with the stardust (Sprinkle it in front of the stain glass window, as that might have shown the right path by lighting it up or something of the sort.) I thought this was a good guess using their imagination. Maybe the gargoyle would have told them where to sprinkle the stardust?
And as for the pie, either he tipped his head back to see ahead (as Harvey mentioned) or he smelt pie
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It's be very interesting to know exactly what the gargoyle would have told them if they'd been correct. Would he have told them the correct way? If so, what use were any of the Level 3 clue objects? I still find it a little confusing. Mogdred said none were of use: surely he couldn't have been telling the truth.
(old thread resurrection alert, sorry!)
I think, having finally had a chance to watch this series from Sky+ recordings (and therefore actually seeing the first 3 minutes of each episode, which always used to be cut off for me by ntl due to their sloppy switching from TV Travel Shop to Challenge...), that I know what the Gargoyle would have said.
Treguard hints at the start of episode 6 that the team have missed information from the Gargoyle, and again in the recap at the start of episode 7 that they have missed -how- to use the clue items. I therefore postulate[1] that the Gargoyle would've told Leo to do something like sprinkle the stardust on the shield and hold it up in order to reveal the correct path - or maybe sprinkle it on each path (instead of on the flat bit before the paths) in order to illuminate the way, leaving the shield to be used in a final confrontation.
The wording Treguard uses in his recaps at the start of episodes 6 and 7 are the key to this - he very strongly indicates that Leo had all the items he needed, just lacked the knowledge of how to use them together. Shame.
[1] or at least speculate wildly.
It's a shame you can't post to a thread without bumping it back to the top of the forum. Hello to all the people that've just read this to find out why a Series 3 post has suddenly appeared in amongst the Series 5 threads. Series 3 is better, anyway.
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Well, if dragging this old thread out is OK, I'll do so a mere four years on (the penalty of discovering this site too late, I suppose).
The question was hard. I'd have known it at that age, but only because I'd been taken there Whilst Avebury is reasonably famous, it's not exactly commonly famous, if that makes any sense. Anyone interested in wandering around looking for stone circles would know of it, or anyone who's visited the area, but not the rest because it's hardly ever mentioned anywhere. It was tough, but it was Level 3, so I'm not completely sure whether or not it was too tough.
In my opinion trying the Glory spell would not be a good idea, either now or later. Mogdred isn't going to hand something out that'll be of use. Perhaps the idea was that they might be panicked into trying it a bit later, had Leo survived.
For a harder question, what's the largest stone circle in the north of England? Avebury has tourists; this has one only had a few cows whenever I've been there.
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There was a strange feeling about the start of this episode. Altho team 4 were into level 3, it seemed probable that they had already lost their chance when they couldn't answer the gargoyle's tough question.
Mogdred appeared in the clue room to taunt them before they could choose their objects. An easy choice tho, from shield, stardust & dagger.
Were surprisingly slow to react in Kaa's room and got a hurry-up from Treguard. They seemed to be trying to decide if there was an exit to the right. I couldn't tell on my screen, as it looked slightly shadowy on that side.
Got past the cat statues easily and collected the final piece of the chalice.
Were they supposed to use the shield in these two rooms? Seemed a bit o.t.t.
If not, why did the shield subsequently disappear? Leo had it going past the cat statues, but he is clearly not carrying it when he enters the stained glass window room. His left hand is empty when he grabs the hand rail.
They sprinkled the stardust on the floor, without any effect.
Had to guess which of the 4 paths to take, as they didn't have the gargoyle's help.
Took path 3 and fell over the cliff. A real pity, as they were a brilliant team.
Treguard told them they had fallen at the last hurdle. At least he cast "UNITE" rather than "DISMISS" in respect of their near-miss.
Some thoughts:
Yet another team to suffer the curse of the quest for the (poisoned) chalice.
The stardust possibly had no use anyway and was a red-herring. Julian's winning team in series 2 had a bag of salt which they didn't actually use in level 3.
Presumably the gargoyle would have given them a spell such as "SUN" or DARK" (which the two winning teams in series 2 used) to show the correct path.
Did they actually have a genuine 1 in 4 chance of guessing the correct path, or were they in losing-status and therefore doomed as they failed the gargoyle's question?
One final point about how well-prepared this team were: when they had no other clue which path to take, they automatically chose path 3, the same one taken successfully by both teams who reached this room in series 2. This team had clearly done their homework. Unfortunately it still didn't help. Even if they had a fair chance to guess, it seems that the producers had shuffled the cards since the previous series. The correct path from this room in series 3 was probably path 2. Much later on, team 11 were clearly directed that way by a quest piece.
After this drama, team 5 seemed very slow in comparison.
They did ok against Golgarach, 2/3 with no prompting.
Needed rescuing from the behemoth by Velda, who really gave them a piece of her mind.
Presumably James had x-ray vision to be able to see that pie on the other side of the room?
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I think the riddle was something like:
"There is a circle of stones at Stonehenge, but where else in England is such a ring to be found?"
The answer was Avonbury. Apparently.
Avebury.
It really is quite famous, you know.
It might be, but I thought it was an over the top hard question. I very much doubt it could be classed as general knowledge, as the only people likely to know it are those interested in stone circles, and those who live near it. It is like asking what is the fifth highest mountain in Scotland, which few people who aren't keen hillwalkers would know.
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This scene would have been many watchers' introduction to Mogdred. How menacing to come straight out of temporal disruption into this, with a looming face delivering a barrage of insults (pathetic, pitiful, ordinary, intruder) and Treguard getting so alarmed.
I find this line from Mogdred, directed at Treguard, very intriguing:
"Silence, you cleaner of cells! If you send your charges this deep then you cannot expect my mercy."
In one sentence, Mogdred demeans Treguard; in the next, he acknowledges Treguard's role as the instigator of quests. More than that, he portrays Treguard less neutrally than Treguard portrays himself.
You could speculate that Mogdred is showing a grudging respect for the Dungeonmaster, and that that is why he doesn't try to constrain Treguard as he did in Series 2 Quest 7. Then again, Treguard was able to defy that constraint ("Le..tter O!").
Mogdred tempted the dungeoneer to take of the Helmut
Best left to Oktoberfest perhaps.
Question: Wouldnt the GLORY spell, given to them by mogdred have helped?
Oasis might have asked: (What's the Story) Mogdred GLORY?
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