Re:Wall Aid 11
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Another idea from a few mins ago:
"How about, if we are describing actual quests in the verses, we make the second line of the chorus 'I'm glad we got to watch you' ?"
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{Malefact}
It's a Perfect Quest, though - like taking attributes of all the (better) winning quests and making them into the lyric.
{Pooka}
We could do that. Make each verse part of a existing winning quest, and create our own 'perfect' quest.
Just a thought...
Its got my vote
As someone who hopes to contribute to the songwriting whatever path is chosen, it would help me if you could explain why that idea is the one that gets your vote. Personally, I'm not sure I fully understand it, as it's not been illustrated by example lyrics as the others have.
In my current opinion, the best approach for the lyrics is (as in my example) to narrate various incidents, just as Perfect Day starts off doing. It's straightforward and allows scope for both own-voice singing and a range of character impersonations, which some people would prefer. To be honest, the theme of winning dungeoneers being forgotten doesn't make much sense to me, and besides, the 'familiar faces in uncharacteristic circumstances' idea was an avenue we explored in the last song by suggesting that wall monsters are starving.
As for perfection; to me, 'Perfect Quest' need mean nothing more than a perfectly successful quest, i.e. any victorious one. If we drift off into pondering the nature of perfection in the lyrics, the tongue-in-cheek aspect might be compromised, which would be a shame.
Once we're clearer on how to approach the verses, and from whose perspectives they'll be sung, it'll be easier to settle on the choruses.
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{Malefact}
It's a Perfect Quest, though - like taking attributes of all the (better) winning quests and making them into the lyric.
{Pooka}
We could do that. Make each verse part of a existing winning quest, and create our own 'perfect' quest.
Just a thought...
Its got my vote
As someone who hopes to contribute to the songwriting whatever path is chosen, it would help me if you could explain why that idea is the one that gets your vote. Personally, I'm not sure I fully understand it, as it's not been illustrated by example lyrics as the others have.
In my current opinion, the best approach for the lyrics is (as in my example) to narrate various incidents, just as Perfect Day starts off doing. It's straightforward and allows scope for both own-voice singing and a range of character impersonations, which some people would prefer. To be honest, the theme of winning dungeoneers being forgotten doesn't make much sense to me, and besides, the 'familiar faces in uncharacteristic circumstances' idea was an avenue we explored in the last song by suggesting that wall monsters are starving.
As for perfection; to me, 'Perfect Quest' need mean nothing more than a perfectly successful quest, i.e. any victorious one. If we drift off into pondering the nature of perfection in the lyrics, the tongue-in-cheek aspect might be compromised, which would be a shame.
Once we're clearer on how to approach the verses, and from whose perspectives they'll be sung, it'll be easier to settle on the choruses.
I really like the idea, getting all the good bits of the best quests, and putting them all together into the perfect quest, and so far, its probably the best idea i've heard, thus why it got my vote (not that we are voting on anything, its just a figgure of speach)
After much thinking, this is going to be very difficult to put together, because everyone is saying something different. Loads of people are moaning about whats good and whats bad. We didn't get anywhere the other day either.
We need to try a different approach
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I'd like to think it would still be possible to get another filk recorded by Christmas, if enough people are able and willing. Obviously we didn't succeed in our attempts to collaborate on a new song parody, so my suggestions are:
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Allowing one person to write 'Perfect Quest';
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Using a filk that's already been written. In my opinion, the best candidate is All I Want Is Knightmare To View: it has a Christmas connection, and was written by more than one person. There are also two parodies of 'Last Christmas' available.
If anyone else has any polite, constructive thoughts about this, please add them to this thread.
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I've written 'Perfect Quest' by myself, but that was because I got bored. I've been singing the lyrics along to the karaoke file for some time now (so much that they're memorised actually).
I'd be perfectly happy to produce another filk, as I produced Wall Aid 11, and have been honing my skills since then - 'All I Want Is Knightmare' I like, and it'd be a good idea.
It's a shame that Darren isn't on hand, because he'd want to be involved. But if we do another filk (and I'm quite enchanted with the idea now), I'm sure I could get hm involved if he wanted.
There's also no reason we can't do both, or more.
Can I just do a quick survey... if anyone reads this thread - who would actually want to sing a line in any future Knightmare filks? (Evidently you'd have to have a mike.)
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Here is the current situation:
I've been in touch with Darren. He kindly gave me guidelines for acquiring a karaoke/backing track via a chatroom; but the process isn't as straightforward as I was expecting, and I've got nowhere. I've tried search engines, but the longer I spend trawling without success, the less fun and the more irritating it all becomes. I'd rather not register or pay to download a karaoke track, especially with so few people showing an interest in the project. Midis are readily available, but none of the ones I've downloaded sounds quite right. Darren has also sent me recordings of himself singing the opening verse(s), and there's no disputing their quality, but when I played those vocals alongside a backing track sample with the same tempo as the original song, they didn't 'sync up'.
So unless anyone else is willing to take an active role in organising this and guarantee against further wasted time, I think I will align myself with the collective apathy, but not without the hope that there will be another KM filk recording some time in the future.
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I'd love to be involved in this. I'd be willing to pay a modest amount towards a kareoke cd or something.
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Additional.
If you'd perhaps offered to provide people with the mp3, rather than simply stating that you had it and how you got it, it might have been possible to get a recording done.
That was then. Pooka, if you would be willing to send that mp3 round to anyone who's still interested, or to put it up somewhere online for downloading, and willing also to reprise your role of producer, maybe there's a chance of us having a recording of All I Want Is Knightmare To View ready for this Christmas.
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Oh. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I'm not that keen to pursue Perfect Quest, personally, but there's nothing to stop others doing so.
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Heh, reviving this yet again are we? Well, this happens every christmas, we never get another one done, i've kinda given up this year. Although, i'm happy enough to take part as always if all is in order. Maybe we can have a go at tracking down those midi's together? I'm sure you can find them somewhere! I might even be able to edit the midi in Fruity Loops and make it sound MP3!
Let me know what you want me to do!
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Well, i'm willing to take part, so mark me down as a yes. Just be sure to get the lyrics together and tell me what you want me to sing, along with a copy of the midi. Sure you can convert midi to MP3, but I could add instruments and such to make it sound better than the original? Umm, i'm sure you can do that anyway, its not my job.
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Hi, Darren. Let's be fair: you say 'every christmas', but out of the two Christmasses on which we've tried, we've only failed once. If we're still not managing to get another filk recording done by Knightmare's 30th anniversary, then you can be as pessimistic as you like.
If your post is about Perfect Day, then as Pooka said, there is an mp3 around, so we there's no need to convert a midi into one. If your post is about All I Want For Christmas Is You, then as I said,
Midis are readily available, but none of the ones I've downloaded sounds quite right.
But where that song is concerned: problem solved (I hope).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGFYCiLKnio
Contributors can sing their chosen section(s) with that video playing in the background for guidance. It can then be made into the backing track of the final version by using the old microphone-in-front-of-a-speaker method to record a wav, and then converting that wav into an mp3.
I hope that sounds OK with everyone who's interested.
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