Series 6 - Episode 6
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I've also had my suspicions for a while. I think we have more than enough proof now.
Oh so I'm not the only one and yes there definately seems to be more than one proof. I had my suspisions from when I first saw the name superdungeoneer. There is also another member who I have had almost the same suspisions about.
Anyway back to the topic. here's a thread from the episode board about the episode I believe you are making references to http://www.talkknightmare.co.uk/yabbse/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6;action=display;threadid=1173 . If you are talking about the same figure I am talking about, I definately believe that it's Skarkill as you could make out bandages on one of the characters legs, which Skarkill had and if I remember correctly the character was limping. Anyway the bandages are a right give away.
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And now for something completely different.
After some rambling from Treguard we begin. Looking through a spyglass we learn that Lord F has a 'Genoese Box of Delights' containing a Medusa Eye. After reading the scrool Alan took the gold and gauntlet. Stormgit apeared leading us into Beardovision. Alan attacked by one of those unwashed flying midwives. Lord Fear disguised as Hordriss disguised as Harriss-yes, it is Lord F-traded the medusa Eye for gold. After more beardovision we have Heggatty being annoying. Alan trades the medusa eye for a BEAUTY spell, and tries-unsuccessfuly- to keep her from opening it. That's because Dungeoneers care. We care. Used BEAUTY spell on Sidriss and earned password, 'scarify'. Appearance from Super Pooka leading into a short intermission. Next is the Dreadnaught. As he leaves notice he is slightly transparent. More Beardovision leads to Lord Fear doing an impression of a handyman (insert groan and rotten fruit here) followed by dwarf tunnels. Elita comes, is gobby, jumps overboard. Interior of ship and a spyglass sees Fear sending Skarkill and the goblins out, before contacting Captain Daft-Hat. Elita reappears despite having just jumped ship. Something about a firestone in Ariadne's lair. Timed out in dwarf tunnells with Skarkill creeping. The credits featured three shots of the goblins prowlingthe tunnels, followed by a shot of the Samurai, also in the tunnels. Why? What is the relevance of the Samurai? Why was he in the tunnels?! WHY?!?!?! This just proves my theory that, when it all comes down to it, it really is anybody's guess as to what the hell is going on.
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I LOVED this episode so much! I only discovered this programme a few days ago and I think it's fab, there's so much suspense in it! I especially love when the giant hand comes down although it IS painfully slow!
The dwarf tunnels are my favourite though because they are SO eerie and that spooky music always plays in them. And while in the other rooms you basically see the dungeoneer walking across the room, in the tunnels the camera actually follows behind him. And the thing lurking round the corner was really freaky! I can't believe it just ended there!
Although the goblins at the end investigating the skeletons were pretty funny!
Just one question, what IS a storm gist?
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Yeah I knew what they WERE, what I meant was what are they supposed to be? They don't look like human skulls to me
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Storm Geists....The spirit(s) of Festus?
Now that should put the cat amongst the pigeons!
Oh, and the Samurai was clearly lost. Well, that and he was there to scare some goblins away.
The no-spoilers tag looks a bit ironic now, doesn't it?
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It certainly does!
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I blindly believed that the cowled character with the Medusa Eye really was Hordriss for years, until my sister pointed out to me that it was, in fact, Lord Fear. The one overriding thing that made me believe her is that Clifford Norgate is credited as "Dreadnort" in the cast, which I had always found very strange. Dreadnort does, indeed, appear in the episode, but in the casts at the end of the episodes in series 3, 5, 6, 7 and 8, each actor is only credited as one character, regardless of how many characters they played in the episode. When Hordriss appeared in an episode along with Smirkenorff or Dreadnort, Hordriss was the one credited, as the other two were voice-only parts. In this episode, it appeared that Dreadnort was chosen over Hordriss. I now realise, of course, that it's because Hordriss isn't in the episode at all!
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Nice level 2 plot, it was quite involved taking the box from LF pretending to be Hordriss pretending to be Harris the beggar. Then exchanging that with the witch for the beauty spell. Then the gauntlet seemed to be a bit of a random add on to their level to use the other clue item the scroll hinted at.
I like the Rocks of Brewin scenery. I know it is very pink but I love how it makes the dungeon seem huge. Again I think a lot of these scenes are only used once more or never, which is a bit of a shame because they are some of my favourites.
Didn't really like the way that Alan just materialised on the deck of the ship. Only a minor thing but it didn't seem quite right.
Another good team on the whole, they all communicate and they seem to be enjoying it. Their main problem is with directing their dungeoneer, they seem to end up zig-zaging a lot and I think they were lucky not to have a causeway in level 2.
I think not knowing Elita's name for calling may have put this team into losing status. The advisers were trying to get Alan to ask a couple of times but maybe he couldn't hear too well. Elita certainly didn't give him much of a chance to get a word in anyway!
Skarkill and his goblins in the dwarf tunnels was a bit creepy. I remember this being such a long week to wait to see what happened to them being in level 3. It was a bit of an anti-climax for the next episode.
"You're not going to fall off anything" count = 6
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Was reading through the lexicon and an entry about the Hordriss/Harris/L.Fear incident directed me to the series 6 ep 6 episode thread...
I couldn't believe some people were so blindly defiant that it WAS Hordriss. How could they not see it was LF?
Is there anyone out there who still believes it was actually Hordriss?
I personally think this is one of the best and cleverest moments in Knightmare. We all know characters adopt disguises to fool dungeoneers... it was getting a bit old. So how excellent was it for a character to disguise himself in another character's disguise? An excellent double bluff! Especially for a children's show.
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Just watching this episode today. Now I'm sure I've said this before on another thread, but I've got to say it again; Sidriss fancies the pants off Alan! I'm absolutely sure of it! She's feeling him up all the time when they first meet, and after he casts the BEAUTY spell, she keeps fluttering her eyelids at him and watching him out of the sides of her eyes. It's... slightly disturbing...
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Just watching this episode today. Now I'm sure I've said this before on another thread, but I've got to say it again; Sidriss fancies the pants off Alan! I'm absolutely sure of it! She's feeling him up all the time when they first meet, and after he casts the BEAUTY spell, she keeps fluttering her eyelids at him and watching him out of the sides of her eyes. It's... slightly disturbing...
I thought it was just me. Considering Sidriss's character, she is normally tactile and friendly, especially with the teenage blokes-- even more so with Alan
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LOL at Alan asking if it's safe to touch Lord Fear, and his advisor replying "I don't think he'll zap you or anything" - he bloody might, you know!!
Treguard seems to read his lines wrong when he's introducing the Cloudwalker: "Neither is Lord Fear nor his minions allowed to take passage. Although the captain is no friend of the Powers That Be, extreme caution team." Eh? That doesn't make sense with the emphasis he used... seems like the full stop and comma are the wrong way round, or perhaps he meant "no friend of the Opposition" rather than the Powers That Be.
Speaking of the ship - Elita's presence would seem to disprove Pickle's claim that elves only make one-way ocean voyages! I'm always amused by Alan being convinced her name is "Pixie". I guess he remembered that the same actress played Elita and Pixel the year before, and got the two mixed up?
Quite funny how they notice a spider's web on the wall of the dwarf tunnel and assume it must be Ariadne's lair, haha. I suppose it could have been, for all they knew at the time!
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Reading the huge debate before, I'd have to agree that I think it was Lord Fear. When I first watched the episode I'm pretty sure it was Hordriss because he said, "I am Hor- ...Harris." But then I got confused when suddenly he had the box. So I believe it to be Lord Fear.
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Treguard and Lord Fear are brilliantly scripted in this episode.
Level 2 is oddly written though. Having the gauntlet in the clue area, in anticipation of Lord Fear's "great big hand" later on, was pre-empting the failure of Lord Fear's more elaborate Medusa eye scheme.
Frustrating that Treguard guided the team towards connecting the clue scroll to the gauntlet. This, together with the lack of a Level 2 causeway, made the level quite straightforward.
Lord Fear's really into diplomacy this series (while continuing to be undiplomatic whenever it suits him). A treaty with the Grey Sisters; a treaty with Captain Nemanor; an attempt in the next episode at a "bonded agreement" with Hordriss.
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The political system makes a great plot line in my opinion. I like to think that series six was the "beta" to the previous one. Series five came across like a "Series 4.5" to me. It had great potential but it didn't look like it did enough to succeed the fourth season.
But anyway, the story handling was, as I said far better handled in series six. So kudos to the team for doing a great job.
Lord Fear looking for allegiances was a little optimistic considering his reputation. To the point he even tries to blackmail Hordriss into serving him. Lord Fear reminds me of David Cameron looking for his personal bitch, err I mean, his Nick Clegg!
Oh and trying to see Alans chums navigate ANOTHER causeway would have done one of two things. One: Split a hole in the time space continuum, or two: they'd have finished up, the fire would've gone out, they're notepads would've turned to parchment and Treguard and Pickle would be dead, they're skeletons in their positions and with forlorn expressions. And nobody would've seen them finish on the basis that terrestrial television is no more!
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Yeah I mean they were generally a good team but MAN they dawdled on the L1 causeway. I was shouting at them to hurry up so when level 3 came along...
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Team 3 arrived in the level 2 "clue-area". The Spyglass gave them a warning of Lord Fear's deadly "medusa box". Took a long time (and a hefty prompt from Treguard) to realise they needed the gauntlet. Took the gold as well, then were given the hurry-up by a haunting, which seemed to get *very *close to Alan.
Managed to dodge Peggatty's attacks, altho it looked like they weren't certain where the exit was.
Encountered Hordriss in one of his awful disguises. They were on the ball tho and accepted his deadly box, but made sure Alan wouldn't open it.
Encountered Heggatty in the clearing. Swapped the box (which Heggatty was immune to) for a "BEAUTY" spell. (It was admirable how they tried to warn Heggatty of danger tho.) Summoned Sidriss, used the spell to restore her beauty and received a password in gratitude.
Used the password to get past the dreadnort.
Lord Fear's hand materialised to grab Alan, but he used the gauntlet to stop Fear.
Reached the ship "Cloudwalker" which would take them to level 3 and encountered Elita. Cue the usual insults, before they found the level 3 clue-area. Gained the causeway combo from the spyglass scene. Agreed to find a firestone for Elita in exchange for her help.
Gained a key in the dwarf tunnel just before time froze again.
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Encountered Hordriss in one of his awful disguises. They were on the ball tho and accepted his deadly box, but made sure Alan wouldn't open it.
Like many other watchers, I was initially fooled into thinking it was Hordriss-as-Harris, but the evidence that it's Lord-Fear-as-Hordriss-as-Harris, as provided by people on this forum, is overwhelming.
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