Legal Knightmare DVDs
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I'm definitely interested!
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I would be very interested in buying a box set of knightmare DVDs. (Although not downloads as I wouldn't want to use the computer for TV show downloads.)
I am a fan of the show from when it was on orignally on CITV. I have registered on the forum before although I have lost my id, and therefore consider myself to be an existing member of the knightmare online community. A lot of my friends also watched the show. (I'm 28 years old and I consider myself to be a CITV man, rather than CBBC, the shows were all better, despite the adverts, shows such as Fun House, Woof, and Finders Keepers were all watched, as was knightmare.) In other words I am the typical person you have been trying to reach.
However up until visiting the website yesterday I had no idea that this project even existed. Hence why I have only just re registered to the forum and posted in this topic.
Websites such as youtube, facebook, and twitter etc should be bombarded. I looked at the facebook group created, which was mentioned earlier on in the thread, and the group is about to be archived. Maybe a new group should be created. (There are 263 members in the existing group, I have just joined, but no admins.)
I would say that the interest for this is maybe enough to make it viable, it may not be. But if people are not even aware of the existance of the project it is impossible to say what the interest level is, and we won't know. That would be in my opinion the worst thing that could happen, even worst than us definately knowing that there isn't enough interest!
The money is of course the one issue I have not yet mentioned. Well I don't have any kind of magic wand to make it suddenly appear (not even spellcasting M O N E Y will work!) But I'm guessing everyone else reading this also doesn't have enough money on their own either!
Buying the rights to the show (I have read the whole thread up until now) will cost a lot of money as already mentioned in the thread.
The real question I think people need to be prepared to answer is would they accept a financial loss in order for us to buy the rights (I don't see this being profitable as we haven't got any rights yet to anything. So in short I don't see how we can get the money back.) If not then theres little point in my opinion in carrying on with the project. However if people are prepared to accept a financial loss to buy the rights, then the project can go ahead.
(Of course buying the rights is one thing, that would mean that anyone buying the DVD would have to pay seperately for that. But everyone who buys existing DVDs already accepts a financial loss to own the physical copy of the DVD, this wouldn't be any different apart from we are trying to buy the rights in the first place.)
Assuming a £600 per episode cost then:
Series 1 would cost £4,800.
Series 2 £9,600.
Series 3 £9,600.
Series 4 £9,600.
Series 5 £9,600.
Series 6 £9,000.
Series 7 £9,000.
And Finally Series 8 £6,000.
Total cost £76,800.
(I have assumed a £600 per cost episode, as I wanted the figure to be quite high to show a possible maximum figure. Of course this is based on figures already mentioned earlier on in this thread.)
Overall a quick summary of my post then:
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People need to be aware of the project. I am sure the interest is there myself personally speaking though.
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To buy the rights to the show people will need to be prepared to accept a financial loss in my opinion. If they are not there is no point carrying on with the project.
Finally sorry if this appears negative. Just want to be a bit realistic.
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Unfortunately, there just hasn't been the momentum on this that I would've hoped.
I think we could raise the necessary money, but those involved want to feel some kind of security that they aren't about to lose their life savings for 15 people to buy a £100 DVD set.
We'd need about x20 the response we've had so far before people would even consider it.
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I see what you mean. Well I for one would love this box set to come out.
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I don't condone illegal downloading or anything but the full-length episodes can actually be found on YouTube. I've been rewatching them that way and have downloaded them for now - I'll be using them privately though, so I won't be sharing them out or making money. Just thought I'd share the fact they can be found - just search "Knightmare: Season 1, Episode 1" and begin.
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It may be the only option we have
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Although GaryGarret has done a good job at putting all the episodes up on YouTube I do feel it may have contravened trying to get the people we need to get the show "boxed up" (No pun intended)
Is there any other way besides using merely just the internet to advertise the petition for a DVD release? I mean, could I try getting an advert put up in my local RPG shop or something, or is that a bit of a feeble idea?
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Everything helps.
I've been debating whether to just lock this thread and call it a day. However, the thing that's stopped me is that if we ever get a surge of people wanting to show support, we could easily email everyone who voiced an interest and ask if they were still interested.
With regards to the youtube videos, you're quite right, I think they have damaged our chances of getting a DVD out. I did intend to email the poster to ask if he would at least link back to this project.
However, I never got past a draft of the email. It's difficult to ask for his support while not condoning what he's doing
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I'd like to imagine that the YouTube episode uploads have reduced Knightmare DVD piracy, but that may be wishful thinking. Tim Child must surely know about the episode uploads by now, which makes me wonder why he hasn't taken steps to have them removed. Is it out of tolerance (like in the early days of KM tape trading) or out of apathy? His apparent lack of interest in the DVD campaign is certainly disappointing, and I worry that somehow somewhere along the line, the fan community let him down so badly that he decided he no longer wanted to engage with us. The success of the T-Bag DVD campaign (as mentioned by Robin in an earlier post) owes a lot to the ongoing support of the show's creators, and it's a shame that Knightmare has not had this too.
Websites such as youtube, facebook, and twitter etc should be bombarded.
I personally feel that a lot more could be done on Twitter to rally KM fans. Search for Knightmare on Twitter any time and you'll find people tweeting about it. It's just a case of taking the time to reach out to them and keeping some momentum going with the underused knightmare_citv Twitter account, which ran out of steam last June.
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Well, the postings of Knightmare on youtube are illegal, of course. So even if they aren't "pirate copies" they amount to the same thing.
Personally, I suspect that these are having a huge negative impact on trying to get the series on DVD. As for why they've been allowed to continue, I think it's a case of "the damage is done". Plus, if any possibility of a DVD release has been eliminated, then they're now doing more good than harm, since there's no other way to see the episodes.
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Long time no post from me.
Always puzzled me why the rights owners haven't ordered a take-down from YouTube (yet) but I'd like to think that assuming that they know about them, the decision not to do anything was one of pragmatism. After all:
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It is unlikely they'll ever get repeated on TV again.
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The rights owners never intended to release the episodes on DVD and therefore are not losing out on revenue from this.
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The user who uploaded them is not profiting from them.
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The videos are not of broadcastable quality.
In effect, they would appear to be the TV equivalent of abandonware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware), but just to be absolutely clear, that in no way means that they are legal.
As for a potential download/DVD release, if the view counts are anything to go by then I don't think that the interest is there. There are spikes for the first and last parts of each series but with few exceptions, the views are in the low to mid thousands for each part of each episode. The problem I see there is that the people you want sell a download to will be the ones who make up the YouTube view count.
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I've just registered and would by a DVD set in an instant.
Maybe you're going about this the wrong way around. Why not use a fund raising site like Kickstarter to raise funds? You only collect money if the project hits it's target. I know I would pledge right now.
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Unfortunately, kickstarter is US only.
There's also a potential issue with us not knowing precisely how much it would cost us. We'd be in a slightly wonky position of having to promise things that we may not be able to afford to give out.
However, I'm not sure if that latter point is circumventable or not.
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I 've watched Knightmare on You Tube but never felt guilty about it. These episode references they put on are all in segments obviously and it can be a bit hard to keep track of everything sometimes. I would love to see a compilation of DVD's devoted to the series but don't think such a thing exists at least not with regard to the oficial series, they didn't even bring out any VHS editions in the 1980s/90s either when the show was on, I really hope they can do something soon. I can't watch any other way now other than Youtube and even then it's not advisable for pay as you go customers, and cable channels like Challenge no longer put it on their channels to watch anymore, I don't see much of the old series these days.
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