Legal Knightmare DVDs
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Although GaryGarret has done a good job at putting all the episodes up on YouTube I do feel it may have contravened trying to get the people we need to get the show "boxed up" (No pun intended)
Is there any other way besides using merely just the internet to advertise the petition for a DVD release? I mean, could I try getting an advert put up in my local RPG shop or something, or is that a bit of a feeble idea?
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Everything helps.
I've been debating whether to just lock this thread and call it a day. However, the thing that's stopped me is that if we ever get a surge of people wanting to show support, we could easily email everyone who voiced an interest and ask if they were still interested.
With regards to the youtube videos, you're quite right, I think they have damaged our chances of getting a DVD out. I did intend to email the poster to ask if he would at least link back to this project.
However, I never got past a draft of the email. It's difficult to ask for his support while not condoning what he's doing
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I'd like to imagine that the YouTube episode uploads have reduced Knightmare DVD piracy, but that may be wishful thinking. Tim Child must surely know about the episode uploads by now, which makes me wonder why he hasn't taken steps to have them removed. Is it out of tolerance (like in the early days of KM tape trading) or out of apathy? His apparent lack of interest in the DVD campaign is certainly disappointing, and I worry that somehow somewhere along the line, the fan community let him down so badly that he decided he no longer wanted to engage with us. The success of the T-Bag DVD campaign (as mentioned by Robin in an earlier post) owes a lot to the ongoing support of the show's creators, and it's a shame that Knightmare has not had this too.
Websites such as youtube, facebook, and twitter etc should be bombarded.
I personally feel that a lot more could be done on Twitter to rally KM fans. Search for Knightmare on Twitter any time and you'll find people tweeting about it. It's just a case of taking the time to reach out to them and keeping some momentum going with the underused knightmare_citv Twitter account, which ran out of steam last June.
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Well, the postings of Knightmare on youtube are illegal, of course. So even if they aren't "pirate copies" they amount to the same thing.
Personally, I suspect that these are having a huge negative impact on trying to get the series on DVD. As for why they've been allowed to continue, I think it's a case of "the damage is done". Plus, if any possibility of a DVD release has been eliminated, then they're now doing more good than harm, since there's no other way to see the episodes.
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Long time no post from me.
Always puzzled me why the rights owners haven't ordered a take-down from YouTube (yet) but I'd like to think that assuming that they know about them, the decision not to do anything was one of pragmatism. After all:
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It is unlikely they'll ever get repeated on TV again.
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The rights owners never intended to release the episodes on DVD and therefore are not losing out on revenue from this.
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The user who uploaded them is not profiting from them.
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The videos are not of broadcastable quality.
In effect, they would appear to be the TV equivalent of abandonware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware), but just to be absolutely clear, that in no way means that they are legal.
As for a potential download/DVD release, if the view counts are anything to go by then I don't think that the interest is there. There are spikes for the first and last parts of each series but with few exceptions, the views are in the low to mid thousands for each part of each episode. The problem I see there is that the people you want sell a download to will be the ones who make up the YouTube view count.
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I've just registered and would by a DVD set in an instant.
Maybe you're going about this the wrong way around. Why not use a fund raising site like Kickstarter to raise funds? You only collect money if the project hits it's target. I know I would pledge right now.
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Unfortunately, kickstarter is US only.
There's also a potential issue with us not knowing precisely how much it would cost us. We'd be in a slightly wonky position of having to promise things that we may not be able to afford to give out.
However, I'm not sure if that latter point is circumventable or not.
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I 've watched Knightmare on You Tube but never felt guilty about it. These episode references they put on are all in segments obviously and it can be a bit hard to keep track of everything sometimes. I would love to see a compilation of DVD's devoted to the series but don't think such a thing exists at least not with regard to the oficial series, they didn't even bring out any VHS editions in the 1980s/90s either when the show was on, I really hope they can do something soon. I can't watch any other way now other than Youtube and even then it's not advisable for pay as you go customers, and cable channels like Challenge no longer put it on their channels to watch anymore, I don't see much of the old series these days.
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Certainly can't hurt
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Well with regards to kickstarter, there are UK alternatives such as http://www.indiegogo.com
You can offer rewards of the DVDs - however I do not know the cost to get the original tapes and put them onto a DVD, however I imagine a goal of £100k to be pretty easy for a project like this to be honest!
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Did they ever release Knightmare on Vhs format?, I don't believe I've ever seen such a thing, You would of imagined back at the time of shows going out, they would of put the series onto tapes to watch. I haven't seen any Knightmare DVD'S in shops or reliable retailers either I'm sure of it, meh, will have to keep an eye out a bit more. The only way it seems of watching old shows is on Youtube, and I'd rather do it another way to be truthful.
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Not visited this site for years, i just been browsing around to see of there is any new news on this subject.. I WANT MY KNIGHTMARE DVDS!!!!
First of, i wont be willing to pay for downloads, so it's DVD or nothing.
Youtube isn't hurting anything, i makes me want theses even more. The quality is too poor to really enjoy anyway, and i don't have sky tv so not interested in tv re-runs.
And kickstarter is not just in the US. The Oliver Twins are currently trying to start up a new Dizzy game (remember him? another massive part of my boyhood)
I think it's time to push harder and somehow succeed.
Knightmare on dvd for us to enjoy as and when, in decent watchable quality is so important. I want to re-live those days just one more time.
Don't give up.
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My Childhood was either watching Knightamre and playing Dizzy.
I don't know who owns the publishing rights to Knightmare but for a show that was historically important, and a huge favorite i just don't understand what it's locked in a vault. I can't imaging it would cost much to release it? There aren't an legal reasons is there? (like with the 60s Batman.. lol)
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