Legal Knightmare DVDs
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Long time no post from me.
Always puzzled me why the rights owners haven't ordered a take-down from YouTube (yet) but I'd like to think that assuming that they know about them, the decision not to do anything was one of pragmatism. After all:
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It is unlikely they'll ever get repeated on TV again.
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The rights owners never intended to release the episodes on DVD and therefore are not losing out on revenue from this.
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The user who uploaded them is not profiting from them.
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The videos are not of broadcastable quality.
In effect, they would appear to be the TV equivalent of abandonware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware), but just to be absolutely clear, that in no way means that they are legal.
As for a potential download/DVD release, if the view counts are anything to go by then I don't think that the interest is there. There are spikes for the first and last parts of each series but with few exceptions, the views are in the low to mid thousands for each part of each episode. The problem I see there is that the people you want sell a download to will be the ones who make up the YouTube view count.
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I've just registered and would by a DVD set in an instant.
Maybe you're going about this the wrong way around. Why not use a fund raising site like Kickstarter to raise funds? You only collect money if the project hits it's target. I know I would pledge right now.
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Unfortunately, kickstarter is US only.
There's also a potential issue with us not knowing precisely how much it would cost us. We'd be in a slightly wonky position of having to promise things that we may not be able to afford to give out.
However, I'm not sure if that latter point is circumventable or not.
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I 've watched Knightmare on You Tube but never felt guilty about it. These episode references they put on are all in segments obviously and it can be a bit hard to keep track of everything sometimes. I would love to see a compilation of DVD's devoted to the series but don't think such a thing exists at least not with regard to the oficial series, they didn't even bring out any VHS editions in the 1980s/90s either when the show was on, I really hope they can do something soon. I can't watch any other way now other than Youtube and even then it's not advisable for pay as you go customers, and cable channels like Challenge no longer put it on their channels to watch anymore, I don't see much of the old series these days.
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Certainly can't hurt
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Well with regards to kickstarter, there are UK alternatives such as http://www.indiegogo.com
You can offer rewards of the DVDs - however I do not know the cost to get the original tapes and put them onto a DVD, however I imagine a goal of £100k to be pretty easy for a project like this to be honest!
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Did they ever release Knightmare on Vhs format?, I don't believe I've ever seen such a thing, You would of imagined back at the time of shows going out, they would of put the series onto tapes to watch. I haven't seen any Knightmare DVD'S in shops or reliable retailers either I'm sure of it, meh, will have to keep an eye out a bit more. The only way it seems of watching old shows is on Youtube, and I'd rather do it another way to be truthful.
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Not visited this site for years, i just been browsing around to see of there is any new news on this subject.. I WANT MY KNIGHTMARE DVDS!!!!
First of, i wont be willing to pay for downloads, so it's DVD or nothing.
Youtube isn't hurting anything, i makes me want theses even more. The quality is too poor to really enjoy anyway, and i don't have sky tv so not interested in tv re-runs.
And kickstarter is not just in the US. The Oliver Twins are currently trying to start up a new Dizzy game (remember him? another massive part of my boyhood)
I think it's time to push harder and somehow succeed.
Knightmare on dvd for us to enjoy as and when, in decent watchable quality is so important. I want to re-live those days just one more time.
Don't give up.
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My Childhood was either watching Knightamre and playing Dizzy.
I don't know who owns the publishing rights to Knightmare but for a show that was historically important, and a huge favorite i just don't understand what it's locked in a vault. I can't imaging it would cost much to release it? There aren't an legal reasons is there? (like with the 60s Batman.. lol)
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Just watched the 2 episodes on CITV this weekend, got me so nostalgic about my youth and my all time favourite kids show that I joined this site in the hopes of one day getting a dvd release.
I would most certainly pay to see this classic revived.
Keep the dream alive
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Posting in another thread made me realise this:
We've, as a fanbase, made several attempts to get Knightmare onto DVD. This hasn't ever come to fruition because it's a massively risky and expensive prospect that needs lots of backing that it seems we're never quite able to provide.
The thing is, in the past few years DVDs have started falling out of fashion with the rise of digital distribution. It's possible to put all sorts of material up on services such as ITunes, relatively inexpensively, safely (thanks to the DRM such services employ), to be made available to the general public at low cost.
It could very well be possible for episodes of Knightmare to be put up on ITunes by Tim Child for either a very low fee or completely free of charge (I'm not quite sure of the pricing options available), which could then be bought individually by the public at a fair and reasonable price.
If an episode does well and is successful, stick a few more on there. The risk is minimal, and we'd have a legal means to access Knightmare while Tim receives royalties from each download. It's certainly less risky than mass-producing DVD's of entire seasons and hoping they sell, and much cheaper than having single episodes ordered and dispatched individually from the masters.
I might not have gotten all the facts correct here, but I think there's a good argument for switching our focus from Knightmare on DVD to Knightmare on ITunes, since it could be much more convenient, easier and cheaper for everyone involved meaning it's more likely to actually happen.
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In fact, our latest DVD campaign considered both.
There's no difference in price between making the episodes available to download, or to buy as a DVD. We considered the advantage of a DVD, however, was the ability to include commentaries and other bonus material that hasn't already been pirated onto YouTube, thereby increasing the perceived value of the items and making people more likely to buy them.
However, ITV could, perhaps, be pursuaded to put them onto iTunes if for no other reason than whether they make one sale or 50000, they earn something at minimal costs to themselves.
Sadly, getting them to listen to such requests is very hard. Perhaps Tim might be in a better position to make such a request.
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