Knightmare Convention
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I just had that argument on twitter.
I notice there are some supposedly "active" members of the community who haven't even shared on Facebook.
I don't get some of the fanbase, km's fate rests on this & some won't bother, I worked hard especially to go out of My way yesterday to mention this & some can't or won't even make even the tiniest donation, it's beyond ridiculous, I'm still currently job hunting & I still managed to scrape some money together for it, what is their excuse ?.
Drassil: Fry's been asked hey, that's good (fingers crossed), I'm still hoping Dara replies to My fb message.
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Because 'causal fans' aren't really the type to donate, and not everyone can afford even a small amount, not if you've got a family to support.
Word of mouth seems to be getting out now but it's a bit late, by the time people here about it the deadline is over.
It's not the end of the world, and I'm optimistic it's just a stumble, far greater things have happened to Km recently and you never know what's around the corner. Plenty of successful conventions have not brought back tv shows.
There is the group of people who wont pledge because they think it wont succeed, I've noticed the closer a campaign gets the more likely people will pledge.
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The figures I keep coming back to are number of Knightmare Facebook likes versus number of pounds the Indiegogo campaign needs to raise. If every liker pledged £1 then it would be a done deal. Life Force damage, if you like.
Please don't misquote me! My post did not say that. £1 from each liker would be the opposite of Life Force damage!
Sorry I didn't realise the 'Life Force damage, if you like' bit at the end came from. I was cutting text out to highlight what you said.
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Word of mouth seems to be getting out now but it's a bit late, by the time people here about it the deadline is over.
No, people are starting to donate now that the time limit is approaching. The deadline is far from over, it's only 66% up.
And you really have to drop this whole "not enough time" thing. Stats provided by IndieGoGo and Kickstarter both reveal that the length of a campaign has no bearing on its success.
It's not the end of the world, and I'm optimistic it's just a stumble, far greater things have happened to Km recently and you never know what's around the corner. Plenty of successful conventions have not brought back tv shows.
I am not sure what you are thinking of. Nothing recently has demonstrated a loyal fan base to any media companies.
As for other TV shows, you appear to be confusing the generic with the specific. In Knightmare's case, the failure of the convention will almost certainly spell the end for Knightmare. A successful convention does not guarantee its return but an unsuccessful one will almost certainly prevent it.
You have several very media savvy people telling you that.
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Of course, rather than simply hoping, you could also leap in and promote/donate.
I'm sure there are bloggers who could be targeted, people who could be informed.
And as keeps being mentioned, even £1 makes all the difference.
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Of course, rather than simply hoping, you could also leap in and promote/donate
I've been posting links and trying to get word out as much as I can I have very little friends on social web sites, and I'm not very active online but I've brought it up on my local hangouts, The thing is I get the same response form everybody "oh I love km, been watching the repeats.. love a new series..." but nobody seems to be interested in a convention, it's hard to convert fans into cash.
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Of course, rather than simply hoping, you could also leap in and promote/donate
I've been posting links and trying to get word out as much as I can I have very little friends on social web sites, and I'm not very active online but I've brought it up on my local hangouts, The thing is I get the same response form everybody "oh I love km, been watching the repeats.. love a new series..." but nobody seems to be interested in a convention, it's hard to convert fans into cash.
I know the feeling. The response I've had from friends back in Liverpool is that they would love to go but they are too far away to attend. So therefore they find it hard to justify making a pledge if they can't attend.
Today, a friend of mine (who works in the media) remarked: "I cannot believe that so many Knightmare fans cannot raise such a tiny amount of money".
It's more "will not" than "cannot". It's depressing to contemplate. Some of the biggest Knightmare fans I know are seemingly showing the least support, and if any of them says anything resembling "I didn't think it would succeed" in the future then I will struggle not to get angry.Again I share your frustration but I do disagree with the "will not" than "cannot" bit. I'm sure there are people who would love to make a pledge but due to their financial circumstances, cannot do so. I am one of those people. I think also people on here would never say that they didn't think it would succeed. Why would they think that for?
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I've been posting links and trying to get word out as much as I can I have very little friends on social web sites, and I'm not very active online but I've brought it up on my local hangouts, The thing is I get the same response form everybody "oh I love km, been watching the repeats.. love a new series..." but nobody seems to be interested in a convention, it's hard to convert fans into cash.
I'm utterly confused by that kind of statement - "not interested in a convention"
What is it about the word "convention" that makes them not want to go? What is it that they envision that makes it so unbearable to an alleged fan of the show?
Surely the idea of getting to PLAY Knightmare should be worth the money on its own? Surely even if everything else convention related were so abhorrent to them, they could still manage to come in, queue up, play the dungeon, and leave again?
Have they been to conventions before? Do they know what's at the Knightmare convention? If we had called it "Knightmare studio tour" or "Knightmare mooglewobblefluffbandit" would they suddenly be interested?
And even then, what's their excuse for not buying a tshirt, a programme, or even the DVD if they're fans of the show? Heck, there's even a £1 digital desktop pattern/wallpaper available now!
As I say, I really just don't understand that statement. My best interpretation is that what they mean is "Yeah, I like Knightmare, but I'm not really all that into it that I'd be willing to pay £15 to play it".
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I know the feeling. The response I've had from friends back in Liverpool is that they would love to go but they are too far away to attend. So therefore they find it hard to justify making a pledge if they can't attend.
Now THAT argument I can at least understand.
But then that's why we made DVDs, tshirts, programmes and now a wallpaper available.
Surely even as Knightmare fans, the argument "A £1 purchase of a digital wallpaper means you significantly increase the chances of Knightmare returning" should go a long way to getting something out of them, no?
Again I share your frustration but I do disagree with the "will not" than "cannot" bit. I'm sure there are people who would love to make a pledge but due to their financial circumstances, cannot do so. I am one of those people. I think also people on here would love to see this happen and have yet to see people say so otherwise.
Again, personally, I can understand that (although I don't see £1 being beyond the means of anyone here).
But it's not just on the financial side, it's also on the social side. I can do a complete search on Twitter for the word "Knightmare". I see numerous posts from HStorm. I see lots from dungeoneerborne. I see a goodly number from Knightmare Live, Mark Knight, Epic Studios and others. They're all posting repeatedly, every day.
But the number of people doing that can be counted on both my hands. From other people, I see nothing at all. It seems people are either working their asses off trying to get the word out or else doing absolutely nothing.
Is this really the peak workload of the Knightmare community? Is this really all we can manage? If, for example, Tim Child stepped in right now and said that he will not produce a new series of Knightmare unless the convention goes ahead, would we really be unable to accomplish anything more?
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What is it about the word "convention" that makes them not want to go?
Because not everyone gets into 'geek culture' which is what conventions are associated with, it's not the sort of thing that attracts 'causal fans'The response I've had from friends back in Liverpool is that they would love to go but they are too far away to attend.
And while it's pointed out you can buy dvds and t-shirts instead I find people tend to buy souvenirs if they've attended something like this, not instead of.
but I do disagree with the "will not" than "cannot" bit.
I was going to make a similar point. (maybe they pledged for the David's book instead as I did) but those people seem to be getting a lot of grief, they just have different priorities (work, family, bills, in which case every penny counts)
Dose the Km convention offer photo shoots? Might be another way to draw in more money, I see this a lot with celebs at conventions.
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What is it about the word "convention" that makes them not want to go?
Because not everyone gets into 'geek culture' which is what conventions are associated with, it's not the sort of thing that attracts 'causal fans'Ah, well then - don't call it a convention when you mention it to your friends. Call it a "studio tour". Problem solved!
Really, the word "convention" was absolutely, entirely arbitrary. It very nearly got called "reuknightmare".
And while it's pointed out you can buy dvds and t-shirts instead I find people tend to buy souvenirs if they've attended something like this, not instead of.
But what people "tend to do" is irrelevant in this scenario. You've said that you/these people would love to contribute, but they live far away.
Well, that's why we created the DVD perk - so that you can contribute without having to travel to the event.
Again, problem solved.
What they "usually do" doesn't apply in this situation because they want to contribute, remember?
I was going to make a similar point. (maybe they pledged for the David's book instead as I did) but those people seem to be getting a lot of grief, they just have different priorities (work, family, bills, in which case every penny counts)
Hm, curiously, I don't see your name in the list of pledgers for David Rowe's campaign. You might want to look into that.
Dose the Km convention offer photo shoots? Might be another way to draw in more money, I see this a lot with celebs at conventions.
Yes it does.
But no, it won't make us any money at this stage, if ever.
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Hm, curiously, I don't see your name in the list of pledgers for David Rowe's campaign. You might want to look into that.
What do you mean?
All paid and all items received other than the book, so I must be on his list.
11:20am until about 12:40pm on Saturday please?
I'll be at work sadly.
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Current stats are that 1% of people that visit the campaign page pledge.
Quite possibly people are not expecting to be greeted by an IGG page. But that's a crap excuse for not pledging.
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I am trying to be very careful in responding to these posts because I don't want Knightmare to die and the last thing I want is a programme commissioner to come across a list of reasons not to commission Knightmare.
On the other hand, it is essential that you stop living in denial and realise the success of the show (a totally random event notwithstanding) is down to you.
There is no formal link between the success of the convention and Knightmare. Despite my earlier example, T has not threatened to never make Knightmare unless the convention goes ahead.
But if you think about it logically, this is a much more accurate test of how successful a commissioning would be. The number of geek week views is meaningless. If it weren't, Tv channels would be buying up videos of sneezing kittens, talking dogs and drunk children. A programme commissioner wants a cheap, safe show that he knows people will watch. Knightmare is old, if it comes back it will have to change. Therefore, the test is how committed the fan base are. Are they fans who will leave if their show is changed? If so, they're worthless because the show will have to change.
The Geek Week episode feedback from the community suggests we are intolerant to change. If the convention and DVD campaigns fail, it suggests not enough of us are committed. The end result? Knightmare is better confined to the vaults of nostalgia.
If that upsets or depresses you then it's simply because you are now realising that our position is not as strong as you thought it was. The fact is that if we had a big fanbase that would definitely support a new Knightmare then funding this convention would be child's play.
If we can't, it means the fan base is not committed and so a new KM is a risk.
And commissioners don't take risks, as noted by John Cleese et al recently.
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My apologies, Alan - after Mark made it explicit in his video yesterday, and given previous hints you made on the subject, I assumed there was a direct link.
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Mark is probably more in the know than I am, particularly given his work in TV.
He knows more about how the industry works and can probably speak with more authority.
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Today, a friend of mine (who works in the media) remarked: "I cannot believe that so many Knightmare fans cannot raise such a tiny amount of money".
It's more "will not" than "cannot". It's depressing to contemplate. Some of the biggest Knightmare fans I know are seemingly showing the least support, and if any of them says anything resembling "I didn't think it would succeed" in the future then I will struggle not to get angry.Again I share your frustration but I do disagree with the "will not" than "cannot" bit. I'm sure there are people who would love to make a pledge but due to their financial circumstances, cannot do so. I am one of those people.
On this occasion, you've quoted me accurately but may have misinterpreted what I wrote. I sympathise with those who cannot offer monetary support to the campaign because they simply are not able to budget for this kind of thing. The overwhelming problem as I see it is the will-nots: all those fans who could contribute but are choosing not to. That is the point I was making in my earlier post.
I think also people on here would never say that they didn't think it would succeed. Why would they think that for?
I wasn't thinking of any of the current forum regulars (not that there are many) when I made that remark. Whether some of those I did have in mind are looking on and saying to themselves, "It'll happen without my support", telling themselves that "it'll never happen even with my support" or not looking on at all, I honestly don't know.
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Sad as it is, conventions will always be viewed by the public as a niche affair for the most obsessive of fans only. There's no easy way around this.
Very much the point I was trying to make, Km does however have a lot of 'causal fans' as I call them.
I'm a bit uncomfortable with the attitude of some regarding those who can not/haven't pledged,
I'm almost starting to loathe some of the km fanbase
if this is kind of animosity in the community no wonder people are put off.A message from Lord Fear for anyone who can't be there at the appropriate hour; you can still help
Excellent, never knew about theses.. i'll shall try and set something up.
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