KMGW Appreciation Week
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A bit hit and miss but more positive than negatives, the extended version giving us a more complete adventure, and I wont fault the Ep for not having the correct sounds effects or editing due to the time restraints.
Sylvester the Jester was great, not quite as good as Folly but out shined Motley.
His character just needed a bit more tweaking, as they all do at first. Wasn't really fussed about the other new ones, none of them were that memorable too me.
Silly intro was the biggest disaster for me, hate the idea of Treguard just sleeping all those years in his chair just waiting for someone to turn up, lol and Lord Fear doesn't appear to have done anything In that time.. I just a bit it was all too weird.
Team was far to jokey, I guess they're used to doing silly things on youtube for attention and tried to do that here, it didn't work.
Too much of a spoof than the real thing, at least it got people talking about it again. Also, I liked seeing the old rooms re-invented, seems like a logical step.
Sadly, this will probably the last ever knightmare episode.
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I guess they're used to doing silly things on youtube for attention and tried to do that here
Ah, no, they didn't.
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Interesting points so far Party People...one thing in my head atm is
"The team - not being personal but I've always said I would have preferred to see people maybe off the forum" by pjmlfc05.
Given there are that many forum dwellers - the majorly active, sometimes active and those as active as Nigel the racing tortoise what criteria would you use for a picking a future forum team?
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Interesting points so far Party People...one thing in my head atm is
"The team - not being personal but I've always said I would have preferred to see people maybe off the forum" by pjmlfc05.
Given there are that many forum dwellers - the majorly active, sometimes active and those as active as Nigel the racing tortoise what criteria would you use for a picking a future forum team?
Maybe a competition? There would be enough active people to enter this. I guess it would have been an amazing opportunity.
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Interesting points so far Party People...one thing in my head atm is
"The team - not being personal but I've always said I would have preferred to see people maybe off the forum" by pjmlfc05.
Given there are that many forum dwellers - the majorly active, sometimes active and those as active as Nigel the racing tortoise what criteria would you use for a picking a future forum team?
Maybe a competition? There would be enough active people to enter this. I guess it would have been an amazing opportunity.
That doesn't really seem to answer the question. Any way of choosing people from the forum could be classed as a competition
One could claim that the players were picked from the forum by competition. In particular, a competition to produce the YouTube video having the most downloads that happens to mention the word "Knightmare".
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Interesting points so far Party People...one thing in my head atm is
"The team - not being personal but I've always said I would have preferred to see people maybe off the forum" by pjmlfc05.
Given there are that many forum dwellers - the majorly active, sometimes active and those as active as Nigel the racing tortoise what criteria would you use for a picking a future forum team?
Maybe a competition? There would be enough active people to enter this. I guess it would have been an amazing opportunity.
That doesn't really seem to answer the question. Any way of choosing people from the forum could be classed as a competition
One could claim that the players were picked from the forum by competition. In particular, a competition to produce the YouTube video having the most downloads that happens to mention the word "Knightmare".
That would be open to bias though. I just think in general it would have been nice for a forum member to have been given chance to have taken part in the geek week episode.
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I guess they're used to doing silly things on youtube for attention and tried to do that here
Ah, no, they didn't.
I don't share the same opinion as you.
I've always said I would have preferred to see people maybe off the forum
Trouble is the Ep wouldn't have gotten enough publicity and as it was a youtube project it's only natural they wanted youtubers involved, the risk being they play to their fans which is what happened for the most part.
Personally, I would have liked to have seen a team of past contestants/winners as it was a one off special episode.
Oh Well. The fact Km was considered worthy enough to be part of 'Geek Week' and got people talking about it again and maybe introduced new viewers to the show I think it did it's job.
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I guess they're used to doing silly things on youtube for attention and tried to do that here
Ah, no, they didn't.
I don't share the same opinion as you.
The way that you see the players in that episode is exactly as they behave in real life. They aren't doing anything special, different, or unusual from what they're usually do when the cameras are off.
As for who they wanted to appeal to, they seemed far more concerned at being accepted by Knightmare fans than producing something extra that their normal fans would appreciate.
(As a side point, why would they need to appeal to their fans in the Geek Week episode? They can effortlessly produce an infinite number of YouTube videos at a moment's notice that would appeal to their fans. Why go to the effort of appealing to your fans in a video that only 1/50th of your fans will even see?)
The difference between the players and previous teams is that previous teams present a fake polite, camera-shy, demure, persona - probably because they want to look their best on camera.
In contrast, the GW team behave as they usually do because, being very popular people, they don't feel the need to sterilise their usual persona.
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I don’t think I have much to say about Geek Week that I haven’t said already. It’s a very watchable quest and, viewed in the context of how and why it was produced, does a great job of capturing the feel of the early series. The extended version is much improved with an additional floor puzzle and wall monster (shame no riddles though). I do still think the first five minutes are weak and it’s a shame to think this was many people's first sight of KM. Similarly, although it’s harsh to criticise the pacing/editing, such technical issues probably didn’t enhance the first impression it was making on younger viewers. That said, YouTube comments were pretty favourable…
As to the thorny issue of using YouTubers, I can absolutely understand why this was done and was a much better way of raising the show’s profile than using forum members. You need teams with a bit of personality and even in the normal run of things I suspect the producers would have tried to pick teams who were both competent and entertaining. However…
I suppose my main beef is that, for something which intended to capture the spirit of early KM, the team themselves (or at least the advisors) weren’t very KM; they just didn’t seem nerdy enough to me (it was called Geek Week for a reason!).
Of course, I’m basing this on not very much at all; I don’t really know them and they’re obviously very intelligent. I just felt some…cognitive dissonance or something I suppose…whereby these cool kids – who probably enjoy weird things like going out and talking to people - had been dropped into an alien world. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with trendy haircuts and skinny jeans but I didn’t see many of them at the KM Convention.
I always thought that KM gave kids who never got picked for the school football team a chance to be heroes; the use of wildly popular contestants jarred slightly.
Ok, I’m exaggerating slightly (and generalising appallingly) for comic effect – but at the same time this is sort of how I feel. Many apologies to all the KM fans who don’t consider themselves nerdy – this is just my personal perspective and says more about me than anything.
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I suppose my main beef is that, for something which intended to capture the spirit of early KM, the team themselves (or at least the advisors) weren’t very KM; they just didn’t seem nerdy enough to me (it was called Geek Week for a reason!).
There's an article to be written on this subject...!
For a while, I had a similar opinion to you. But on reflection, aside from their popularity, the players tick many of the nerd boxes. They're very up to date on their tech, they're games players, they hate sport, they're intelligent, good at music, love sci-fi, etc.
The major difference to whT I would recognise as a geek is they're seen as cool/trendy.
So isn't this just a generational thing? Is it just that nerds are now starting to be seen as cool?
By contrast, you would find the fans of the advisors to be much more relatable and would fit in with the convention far more. But then, not being popular themselves, I imagine they lack the self confidence of the advisors.
Another observation would be Stuart. He's our generation. But he lacks the trendy jeans, haircut and piercings of the others. Again, that would seem to suggest that the advisors are simply representative of today's geek.
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Geek = chic, innit
Given the tightrope the YT participants had to tread I'd said they did an admirable job and I'd much prefer that than an assortment of ex Big Brother and reality tv detritus.
Celebrity teams that would get my backing would be including Bradley Walsh, Bruce Forsyth (esp on a PYCR revival!), Jonathan Ross, Rob Brydon, Craig Charles and Lee Mack.
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I don't tend to buy into this idea of being nerdy, geeky, trendy or whatever labels people come up with, you get put into a box when you're at school yet everyone is individual, I know plenty of science fiction fans who are huge sports fans, and sports fans who are great musician it's perfectly acceptable to like both.
Saying that, if you're a Km fan, you're one of the cool kids.
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As it was a youtube project it's only natural they wanted youtubers involved, the risk being they play to their fans which is what happened for the most part.
The YouTubers: I'm cautious of passing that kind of judgement on Dan, Phil and Emma because I don't know them, their YouTube videos or their fanbases. Alan spent time with them during the Geek Week filming, so I would tend to defer to his assessment above. Stuart is a different matter because I have watched his videos and I've met him, as did many other Knightmare fans on the Friday night of the Knightmare Convention. (He also made quite a special contribution to Lord Fear's Midnight Hunt on the Saturday night, which I'll leave others to detail if and when appropriate.) I observed very little difference between Stuart on YouTube and Stuart in real life.
What I will say is that in the episode, I would have enjoyed hearing more from Phil and Emma to balance Dan's obvious enthusiasm. (I'm sure we can all think of at least one Series 1-8 quest that might have been more enjoyable if all three advisors were equally vocal.) And as I've hinted before, Dan's low-slung trousers and visible underwear were an off-putting fashion choice that I simply don't understand.
I don't tend to buy into this idea of being nerdy, geeky, trendy or whatever labels people come up with
I would tend to agree. It's a far cry from the multiple references to the YouTubers as emos seen on this forum in 2013, and reassuring for that.
I'm not sure whether the definition of geek has changed over time, or just the interpretation. I watched an episode of the 1990s remake of The Tomorrow People recently in which one character refers to his father as a geek and does so insultingly. If it meant a person with a keen screen-based interest or superior knowledge outside the mainstream, perhaps that now has positive connotations rather than negative.
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I'm cautious of passing that kind of judgement on Dan, Phil and Emma because I don't know them, their YouTube videos or their fanbases.
My girlfriend watches all of Dan and Phil's videos and I can promise you that Dan behaves exactly the same while playing Knightmare than he does in his videos - a slightly awkward, but clearly affable, geek with bags of enthusiasm as demonstrated in KMGW.
I too would have preferred more contirbution from Phil and Emma, although Dan and Phil work best as a duo; I do like Emma Blackery quite a lot, but she could have provided more than a percieved (but false) profanity! Mind you, it's hard to talk across Dan, who was clearly having the time of his life (and who wouldn't? He's playing Knightmare!); he gave a lot of good instructions, though, so maybe it was best to just let him get on with it!
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-On the whole really positive, my only beef was parts of the opening section. The graphics of Treguard's crib, back story, camera angle, too long, everything was awkward there...Probably like one of my posts
-The Team has divided opinion, I thought they were completely fine + respectful. They would generate a lot more traffic and interest than any a team made up of forum members, maximising chances of success.
-Personally if anything would want to see something inspired by Knightmare return, rather than a continuation of Knightmare. Still says volumes for how highly its regarded that after all these years a stand alone episode was made.
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