Those that were denied...
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P.S. Did I say I'd love to know specifically what the TINY spell was for?
I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty certain that it would have reduced the size of Giles to allow him through a gap or something (since certain spells throughout the show like BIG and GROWME did the opposite, and 'downer' pills did the same). It's a shame that we don't know about the effects of uncast spells, but I suppose that's one of the things that we still debate about!
There was also the LITTLE spell in Series 2 which was used to shrink the Troll. My guess would be that TINY was for shrinking Mogdred, just because it would actually defeat him in the final encounter... if Giles simply escaped into another room, I'm not sure what would prevent Mogdred from following, since he can materialise wherever he likes.
Of course, it could have summoned the hobgoblin introduced two years later, but I doubt that somehow...!
Ha, I like this theory, unlikely as it may be.
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P.S. Did I say I'd love to know specifically what the TINY spell was for?
I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty certain that it would have reduced the size of Giles to allow him through a gap or something (since certain spells throughout the show like BIG and GROWME did the opposite, and 'downer' pills did the same). It's a shame that we don't know about the effects of uncast spells, but I suppose that's one of the things that we still debate about!
There was also the LITTLE spell in Series 2 which was used to shrink the Troll. My guess would be that TINY was for shrinking Mogdred, just because it would actually defeat him in the final encounter... if Giles simply escaped into another room, I'm not sure what would prevent Mogdred from following, since he can materialise wherever he likes.
Agreed. In Quest 1's final encounter, Mogdred towered over dungeoneer Helen to begin with. So the idea that Giles could have beaten him by getting smaller and popping into another room is not one I find convincing. It wouldn't have done justice to Mogga or to Knightmare's overall premise of final encounters (the villain being overpowered or forced to withdraw).
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that TINY was for shrinking Mogdred, just because it would actually defeat him in the final encounter... if Giles simply escaped into another room, I'm not sure what would prevent Mogdred from following, since he can materialise wherever he likes.
Agreed. In Quest 1's final encounter, Mogdred towered over dungeoneer Helen to begin with. So the idea that Giles could have beaten him by getting smaller and popping into another room is not one I find convincing. It wouldn't have done justice to Mogga or to Knightmare's overall premise of final encounters (the villain being overpowered or forced to withdraw).
Oh, good point. I don't seem to recall either winning team of Series 2 having to face a final encounter with Mogdred before becoming champions, but yes, I'd forgotten about Helen and her defeat on the brink of victory.
Having thought about it, that might be more logical since I don't recall Giles having anything else that would have caused any threat to one as powerful as Mogdred.
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Thank you to Pooka and the others who have joined me in musing about the TINY spell. The producer said there were about four scenes left, without checking the script to be precise.
This suggests there could have been the fireplace scene from earlier in S4 on L2 (scenes moved between levels rather freely on S4) whereby Giles had to escape Mogdred by the TINY spell, and then perhaps have it uncast on the other side. Or v.v. - going small to get through the fireplace only to face Mogdred and having to work out to uncast it possibly to scare him away (not entirely convincing an idea though). This would leave the door monster scene and the final scene with the Cup.
Alternatively casting the TINY spell would parallel what happened with Malice on the winning team's quest. Maybe the Block and Tackle was moved from Level 2 to make the end of the season more dramatic, and actually an encounter with Mogdred parallel to that in team one's quest was the original plan.
I think it's finely balanced between those two probabilities.
It could be something else entirely though, probably not a hobgoblin given the locations we did see but possibly a scene that wasn't shown on the series. It seems to me that locations were a bit thin on the ground by Level 3 though in Series 4.
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Fair point my good man.
If "Christmas in summer" didn't get in the way we could've seen Giles bring it back. Could've given you guys a Christmas present at least just as a consolation for taking a dump in what I can only describe as a fun, and what could've been a much deserved victory.
Just a little amusing thought Brett. You know that shot when Treguard is saying farewell to the teams when they tend to fail and they wave goodbye before walking off. Did they not show your team because you flipped the rod instead of waving?? XD
I know it's unlikely but it did occur to me at the time
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Hi Fidjit,
I don't know whether one or two of the other team members made a rude gesture as has been since claimed, or whether we weren't shown 'just as the winter is closing in upon us' because the production team didn't have any suitably wintery effects and wanted to leave it to the viewer's imagination.
We recorded two endings, one for Christmas and another for export to countries such as Spain, to be shown when it wasn't Christmas.
Best wishes,
Brett
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