Series 6 Episode 13

Drassil

I've edited my previous post in the topic so that the song titles are now revealed.

Edit 2012: I've amended the earlier post again so that the song titles are no longer underlined, to allow newcomers to make guesses if they wish. The answers are now below (and can be copied and pasted to be viewed normally):

Keep Yourself Alive
Doing All Right
Liar
Dear Friends
Procession
Fat Bottomed Girls
Under Pressure
Action This Day
Staying Power
The Loser In The End
We Are The Champions
Coming Soon
Tear It Up
The Ring
Innuendo
Dragon Attack
Ogre Battle
Death On Two Legs (Dedicated To...)
Machines (or Back To Humans)
Seaside Rendezvous
Long Away
The Invisible Man
Headlong
A Kind Of Magic
Flash (Ah)
The Miracle
Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy
Scandal
It's A Hard Life
Killer Queen
Back Chat
Play The Game
Sweet Lady
Good Company
Man On The Prowl
Dancer
Another One Bites The Dust
Hammer To Fall
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Show Must Go On
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And three additional song titles to be found in my Lexicon entry on this quest:

Spread Your Wings

Was It All Worth It?

Delilah

Velda

I know all of those songs...guess I'm a real fangirl when it comes to that band

123Pooka

That must have taken some time Drassil ! Yes what a quest too, poor Sophia. Treguard might have said in a compassionate tone: Oooh nasty, but, who wants to live forever anyway?

I watched this episode again, as I'm going through one of my km watching phases - although I don't like to watch km too much too often as I like it to seem fresh when I come back to it!! This might only be the 3rd or 4th time I've seen this lol. I'm sure others have seen it many more times.

This team were good weren't they? The dungeoneer spoke often for herself, the team were on the ball and the navigation was very good (made some previous teams look very ordinary in that respect). I think it was unfortunate for them that their quest followed a winning quest, and equally that they got the question style pass or fail trademark of earlier series. Great effort though, and they joined the list of unsung knightmare contestants who got so close but didn't quite make it. Hmmm perhaps I should list these contestants. Anyway, my favourite teams tend to be those ones - I am very sympathetic.

knightmaredave

This team got a hard level 3 and an unfair death. they knew the answers to all the questions but were not given the chance to answer the Hordriss question and tehy answered the hand of atrab one corectly so not to have givenn them the diploma was very unfair. Great death scene though and a nice oooh nasty to finish off

Aldarion

As some might have noticed, I have had the audacity to clock up 1000 posts on this forum. In acknowledgement (maybe even in celebration) of that, & gratefully inspired by what Billy did here, this millennial post contains '39, no, sorry, 41 titles of songs by a popular band whose name has a connection to the team's quest object.

All I can say is "Mad! The Swine!"

One of these days...I'm going to write a similar KM synopsis full of Pink Floyd titles - no obvious quest link, I know, but they had a song called (K)Nightmare (they just changed the title for the LP) and think how many villains/chambers the aforementioned song's full title could refer to!

Trouble ls, which series is the most Floydian - Series 4 and 5 have "terminal frost" affecting a team, and then an entire level; in Series 2 there's a Wall, and worms (which probably would eat into your brain if you fell onto them); in Series 8 teams are "beset by creatures of the deep"...

Pooka

Just watched this episode for the first time in a good few years. A lot of what's said has already been discussed, but I'll just add a few thoughts here.

It's clear from the start of Level 3 (and, insofar as Treguard says so, canon) that getting the diploma from Hordriss' class would have helped with the causeway combination. As it was a scroll, it most likely would have contained the causeway combination (or a clue to such). From a quick look at the Great Causeway, it seemed to contain a very simple sequence of even or odd numbers, mostly consisting of 2, with the FIND / PATH second sequence at the end. Not gaining the diploma needn't have put the team in losing status, although I'm not entirely sure that the production team would have let them win even if they had tried the causeway! I'm guessing that she would have had to keep stepping on 2's to get across. But I guess we'll never know.
Hordriss' class was very unfair. As the extra who won the diploma (Stephanie Hesp?) answered question two instantly (although Sophia could have interjected, but she didn't), we went back to the old "Merlin's Room" system or two-out-of-two-or-it-just-won't-do. If only they'd remembered alchemy, it would have got them through. Maybe it's not as unfair as it seems, because they didn't know the answer to a question - but they should have been given three chances, as every other team in the Lord Fear era was!
I wonder what Elita's role was. Sophia was rude to her again, and Elita still helped her fend off Skarkill (although an apology was needed). I seriously doubt Elita was meant to provide any other help, so this was probably just a funny scene to fill time. But it was acted well. Skarkill was geuinely menacing and Elita was unsure who to help, playing off her neutral stance quite honestly. It's difficult to actually think of what Sophis could have done to earn anything extra from Elita, apart from perhaps a warning about the Corridor of Blades...
...which they got through perfectly well anyway. Good guiding here from Claire.
I think that the team had winning potential as they were still in possession of an unused Hand of Atrab, which both Lord Fear and Greystagg seemed to find powerful. My guess is that in the quest chamber room, Sophia could have put the Hand on, and a giant gloved hand would have descended from the ceiling and grabbed Lord Fear. They had the graphic for it, after all.

So close, and yet so far. One tiny riddle in it and it was all over. This sort of thing wasn't done since Series 3 - not very fair, really! If they had at least tried on the causeway, they very well may have guessed the right combination and won by sheer dumb luck! But they just didn't seem to want to try particularly well.

Never mind. The PTB had the crown already anyway. What were they going to do, get a second one? The lost diadem of Ravenclaw or something?

Canadanne

In the clue room, the team finds "one of the Rings of Phobia". (Phobia is almost an anagram of the dungeoneer's name.) It looks identical to the ring found earlier this series on L2 by January, where it is referred as a "Ring of Power". The ring Sophia found on L1, which looks different, was called a "Ring of Power" by Treguard. How confusing.

To add to the confusion, Sophia is carrying a skull-shaped ring in this episode, but the one shown in Pickle's book just has a plain red jewel like the one Lord Fear often wears. They used the wrong illustration in the previous episode too - it showed the signet ring from Ben's quest again, even though Sophia had picked up a different one!

Lord Fear says "Something is signalling a security penetration" and stares at the camera just as they drop the spyglass. I wonder if he was going to give them the scary red eyes like he used to do - wish they'd held it up just a bit longer!

ClaireFearsBlades32

Yes I did think Sophia's team had tougher ride compared to Ben although I won't begrudge them a win. They were obviously let off on L1 causeway but DID get better through the levels. I think in Sophias case we all feel for such a young team so close to winning but the riddles were "old school" and perhaps a surprise. Two very entertaining teams though and they both made S6 come to life for me as an 8 year old.

Drassil

If the number 1 piece of advice that any dungeoneer should be following is 'keep yourself alive', then this dungeoneer is certainly doing all right.

... This millennial post contains '39, no, sorry, 41 titles of songs by a popular band whose name has a connection to the team's quest object.

Doing All Right is the second track on Queen's first album. It was written by Brian May and his former bandmate Tim Staffell. The same Tim Staffell who helped design Bewilder Box, which of course stars Hugo Myatt.

Drassil

After the clue area (complete with menacing giant pooka - it's a hard life on L3) comes Hordriss' Level 3 Entrance Examination For Aspiring Sorcerers' Apprentices.

In Series 8, the life force clock changed: we were dealt a pie. Did Hordriss foresee this in Series 6?Hordriss-S6T6L3.jpg

Morghanna

What a great episode. Team 6 resumed by offering to help Ridolpho.

They dodged Peggatty, albeit with life-force damage, then encountered Hordriss. (in another bad disguise) Restored life-force, then traded the ring for his promise to help Ridolpho and also gained the causeway code.

Totally stormed across the causeway.

Reached the descender to level 3, but were cornered by the dreadnort. Ridolpho arrived just in time to provide the password. Phew!

Straight into the level 3 clue-area. I thought the scroll suggested taking the scarf and the gauntlet. Advisor Kim wanted to take the scarf, but they over-ruled her and took the gold instead.

Notable that each time they have been hurried, they have reacted really impressively.

Bizarre scene where they had to sit in a class run by Hordriss. He asked a question about transmutation of metal, but sadly they didn't get the answer in time. Oh no, that could be costly. Missed out on his help, but still received a spyglass.

Given how sharp this team were, i assumed they would have known that.

Entered the corridor of blades. Had a near-miss early on, but then Sophia got the hang of it. The blades did seem a little slower than in previous years.

Really loved the way the advisors all ducked when that blade just passed over her head. Great relief when they escaped.

Encountered Elita again. (This looked interesting after their backchat in level 1.) To the dismay of her advisors, Sophia unwisely traded insults again, then had to grovel massively to get Elita's help when skarkill arrived. Just barely persuaded her to save them.

Arrived at the great causeway, but didn't have the combo from Hordriss. They knew to step right first as there was food there. Collected the food, but didn't guess quickly enough and the causeway collapsed.

A real pity coz team 6 were a fantastic team, really likeable, who were extremely enthusiastic and very competent. In the end they were only undone by one wrong answer in level 3. (Like several teams in S3.)

I actually think that they were better than the winning team immediately before them (who were very good) and that Sophia's team were one of the best ever on Knightmare. Very unlucky.

Time-out before the next team even arrived. On the only previous occasion that happened, the next team were truly memorable.

AriadnesLayer

Team 6 were a fantastic team who were extremely enthusiastic and very competent. In the end they were only undone by one wrong answer in level 3. (Like several teams in S3.)

I actually think that they were even better than the winning team immediately before them and that Sophia's team were one of the best ever on Knightmare. Very unlucky.

I completely agree. This was the calibre of team I wish we had seen more of (instead of kids who acted like they had no idea what they were doing there. I'll never understand why so many of that type got through when apparently there was a very competitive audition process).

This team deserved to win and were cheated. And they knew it, as you can tell by their demeanor at the start of the closing credits when we see them walk off. They were NOT happy. And rightly so.

They only got 1 question right in Hordriss' classroom, but they would have got 2 correct if the actor had given them time to interject with "Hordriss" when the other classmate answered "Merlin". I strongly suspect they were supposed interject there but simply weren't given the time to do so. Most unfair.

Given how sharp this team were, i assumed they would have known that.

The thing with general knowledge is, unlike problem solving or other measures of intelligence, it doesn't matter how clever or bright you are, if you don't happen to know a fact, you don't know it. You could be the dumbest person in the world but just so happen to know what alchemy is because you had seen it mentioned on a cartoon the day before. It's not really a fair way of deciding the team should die, given how excellently they had performed all the way through the Dungeon.

The only (questionable, in my opinion) way of using general knowledge to assess intelligence or cleverness is to ask a very, very large volume of questions, so at least then a law of averages can be used. But to determine someone's progress through the dungeon based on whether they happen to know just one very specific, random, fact when the rest of their gameplay is spot on, is really rather odd to me.

Again, if Clifford Norgate had given them time to speak up about "Hordriss" being the greatest magician in the dungeon, perhaps it wouldn't have been an issue. But by the time the advisors had passed this instruction onto Sophia, he was moving on to the next question. Not fair.