Series 3 - Episode 1
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The beginning of my favourite season. Many changes this year, especially Treguard & the anté chamber.
Lillith has been kicked out (or eaten) from her lair, and now the snake has a tongue! As I said, 'or eaten'! Golgarach has made the stoney faces homeless, and Ariadne's old room has become the entrance to the Vale of Vanburn, which I love.
Team were not too clued up, and sadly misguided their body in the Dungeon.
Interetsing to see how far back Mellisandre is in the Vale, very...creepy, in a way, as you cannot see what she's up to (at the time, they would have had no idea either!)
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Back when this episode was first shown on Challenge (23rd December 2002) there were no proper recap threads- the first regular one came with Series 4 Ep 2. There was one originally called 'did ya see it?' but that eventually rolls over into Episode 2, which you can see here: http://www.talkknightmare.co.uk/yabbse/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6 WARNING: This thread contains spoilers of episode 2, the 'no spoilers' rule hadn't been implemented yet.
Anyway, back to Episode 1, and you can see that the computer is used a lot more than in Series 3. The show's on a new tape format, and so the picture quality's slightly improved. The life force appears in much more imaginative ways instead of just fading in, Treguard's floating head doesn't show as much of the background, and we've got 100% CGI things like the dice, the water, the serpent's tongue (I think), as opposed to Series 2 stuff like the wheel of fortune. An odd thing I noticed was the ITV logo at the end- I thought that appeared later on in 1989? Still, can't wait to see episode 2 tomorrow- my copy is missing the first few minutes, so it will be good to finally have it in full.
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Billy, I think you mean this one http://www.talkknightmare.co.uk/yabbse/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6;action=display;threadid=84 As Billy said it does contain spoilers for episode 2. I also suggest that people read that post before posting reviews for ep2 also please post ep2 reviews in that thread. I can't see one a thread for ep3 (unless someone else can find one) but I think that we are all mature and sensible enough to know what we should and should not be doing, so I don't think I need to explain all again. A thought if possible after ep2, Illusion could perhaps move this thread's review posts to the other thread, Just a suggestion though and if it's possible.
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What the HECK is Velda doing when they first arrive in the valley? She seems to be gyrating suggestively against the wall - no wonder she reacts aggressively to someone walking in on her! (Also, "A fair tongue will get you much that must otherwise be paid for" - how did that one not make the list of double entendres?)
While Treguard is talking in that scene, she appears to creep up and poke Gavin's knapsack with her dagger! He might have had trouble keeping his food down, if he'd lived any longer.
On a slightly more serious note, if she already knows "something of the path ahead and below", including Merlin's step clues, then why is she so surprised to find herself in the dungeon, being approached by a dungeoneer?
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Ahhh, here we have Lilith's edited room, now with added Melisandre.
Following that we have the lovely Miss Velda... apparently tied up.
^^ All I had to say on this.
Now... as for Canadanne's questions:
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Not a flipping clue? Some kind of Elvish magic mayhaps?
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She does poke it but I think by then we see less of the 'digesting' as a thing?
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Probably because she's used to being left alone in her rooms as the teams before never meet her properly? (although we do see her costume in some scene I'm sure...)
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Treguard's lines in Series 3 were not only marvellously delivered but were better than they needed to be (which may be why his rhyming recaps stopped after this series). An example from this episode:
Dante Alighieri (1265-1321) is the author of The Divine Comedy, an Italian epic poem whose first part is popularly referred to as Dante's Inferno. In the Inferno, the author narrates his journey through Hell, which has the following inscription above its gate: Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate (Abandon all hope, ye who enter here). Treguard quotes this line in slightly inexact translation after Cliff materialises in the antechamber:
"I'm sometimes tempted to say 'Abandon hope, all ye who enter here', but that's hardly likely to encourage a positive attitude."
I suppose that would have made it the Dantechamber.
Thank you, I'm very much here all week.
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This was a great start to a new series, very well-paced. Already some new characters & settings, but also some familiar locations.
Team 1 had a mixed quest. They did well against Golgarach, who had apparently displaced Granitas & Olgarth. 3/3 altho needed some prompting on the 1st. The bricked-up door has been removed to make more room for the manifestation. Extra light comes thru the window while Golgarach is present. (I never noticed this before.)
First appearance of the feisty elf Lady Velda and the team seemed rather short of conversational ideas.
On into the vale and they struggled with manouvering. Finally got Gavin going in the right direction, but then told him to turn right too soon. Advisor Craig actually interrupted "No, no, no!" at this point, but Gavin stepped off the path into some quicksand. Glug, glug, glug.
Treguard's warning cry was far too late, but at least his send-off was good: "The best thing about a quicksand is that it's not a slow death."
Apparently they had already died in the serpent's-head cavern, but been let-off, so i guess they had a fair go.
Team 2 started well. First appearance of the new dungeon jester Motley, with a fairly predicable, "Mind you don't fall off the cliff, Cliff!" He was very close to doing so on the next ledge.
Given the hurry-up by an armoured knight (the new automaton?) and then by goblins in the new dwarf tunnels.
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Hello!!
First post in I dread to think how long.
Series three is often seen as the series and there is a great case to be made for it as it has everything quintessentially "Knightmare" about it.
As for the team in question, they were indeed the only full team from "Up The Road" and while it does seem that they were were helped (As several teams obviously were) I often found that the first team of a new season often had the worst of it, especially if there had been drastic changes to the Dungeon from one season to the next.
Here is series 3 I loved the mixture of old character and locations with a few new onces.
So while Gavin and his men came up short in their quest it was a fantastic start to a fantastic series.
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