Temper temper
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Posted by: HStorm on Jan 9th at 7:02pm.
The question asks which characters you are IRRATIONALLY protective of, i.e. you launch into a stubborn, mindless, spitting rage every time they receive a criticism, even when the criticism is perfectly constructive and fair.
Then that would have to be
Elita & Skarkill.
For me.
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I like Sanpper-Jack ;D
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I quite like Snapper-Jack. I think just the thought of a prowling testing-agent amongst the lower levels was creepy, and his almost jocular style made it even more sinister. I think Bill Cashmore has a great series. I can see where complaint might be about the need to make it more pointedly scary, or even more difficult (as S3), but I remember every time a team crossed S-J in S8, I was certain that somebody would fall to him at some point, especially seeing how he didn't always acknowledge truth or falsehood when given an answer - just an indication of right or wrong.
On saying that, several series of S-J wouldn't have worked - one was quite enough - and without the words to explain, I just think a character like his suited the more futuristic tinge to S8's Level 3a and 3b.
I don't see everyone's dislike of Julius Scaramonger. He carried the hard-done-by trader cliche (sorry, can't acute on this laptop) brilliantly (awww to all the little Scaramongers - god help them) - and I think, especially as seen with Chris's team in later S5, when the 'pollution' potion he offered them initially sounded suspect, but would have been the right option to take to melt the ice around the firestone, he established that reputation of ambiguity within everything he did, so it sometimes took some real thinking to be certain teams were attaining the correct object / help for their quest. I am a huge fan of that quest; especially with its Keith and Kieran (Ciaran) there in the antichamber; since it demonstrated the ability for a team to rectify a big mistake and get further, only for the team to spern that possibility, without having Motley's stick to hand. Still - said too much, my quest stops here.
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i loved majida she weas frehs and helped rather than hinmdered and she had a great sense of humor!!!!
i liked her and trguards hostility at the beginning she stoof up to him more than p did
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Okay.
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Majida. I think it's because I dislike Pickle rather a huge amount now that I get annoyed when people criticise Majida for being annoying. The end to Julie's quest in Series 7 is one of my absolute favourite KM "moments" (although I mean about the last 3 minutes) and it's Majida who makes it work.
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Although I don't see too many people criticising him, if people are laying into Julius Scaramonger, I will spank them. And no, not in a nice way.
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Mrs. Grimwold. Yes, it really sets my teeth on edge when people criticise her for being slightly two-dimensional and not having amazing possibilities. I think she had more possibilities than some people would have you believe, but in any case, surely the aim wasn't to create characters who'd be suitably rounded and textured to be the focus of a BBC2 Drama. It was to entertain, and I think most people in their heart of hearts would have to admit that "she" is entertaining, at the very least.
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Marta. Oops. What a litter fibber I am.
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Well as I don't have as many memories of some series I just defend the show as a whole, for example the other day someone I know when asked about KM said. "That show is crap it's graphics are awful!" I pointed out to him it was made in the 80s-90s and that the graphics were of its time.
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- Although I don't see too many people criticising him, if people are laying into Julius Scaramonger, I will spank them. And no, not in a nice way.
On of my mates who is also a fan of KM dose. Its a consternt sorce of debate/argument between us.
He says that all the KM Traders were stupied and unesercery but That Scaramounger was the wost.
I say that they were good, added some hummor to the show and full filled a purpose. Which is more then can be said for his favirot characters RAPTOR & CAPTAIN NEMNOR.
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Well, as a wise man once said: "Don't take life too seriously. you'll never get out of it alive." Thus I don't usually get annoyed when people insult my favourite characters, hell I'm even guilty of it myself. Though there are one or two things that annoy me, namely:
1: Blaming Majida for making the Helm of Justice crap. THIS WAS NOT MAJIDA'S FAULT! BLAME TIM CHILD, NOT THE CHARACTER!
2: When people go on about how Elita was responsible for Team 3's death in Series 5. General assumption seems to be that "she sent them into the Corridor of Blades", which seems to overlook that the CoB is a fairly common quest hazard. (and end) Should she have given them magic to survive the CoB then? I can think of only two cases of outside help being used in the CoB, that would be when Gundrada took a Dungeoneer through it in S4 and when a spell was needed to slow it down from Hyper Mode in S8. So, in mot cases the Dungeoneer gets through the CoB on their own. My theory is that had the team just given Elita the bloody gem instead of being twats, they would have gotten a spell or password or similar, NOT help on the CoB. And in S1-4, when teams died as a result of failing to earn magic from Merlin, did Merlin get the blame? Nope. Okay, so Elita DID take the gem without helping them, but given the way they arsed about (and their earlier arsing about with Julius Scaramonger) I'm not surprised. (hell, if I'd been Elita, I'd have pointed them right into the CoB!) Take a look at Team 4, they just give her the bloody thing and she not only frees Motley but gives them the colour code. See, that's what you get when you DON'T arse about like twats!
Wow, that rant was long. Guess it annoys me more than I thought...
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Well I think the reson that Elita gets credited Rightly Or Wrongly with that death is the same as why Honesty Bartram dose for Danial's Death in the CoB in S8.
Because they were the last character they met befor there death and they both dealt with them dodgerly.
Bartman with what may or may not have been a dodgy spell/Potion and Elita running off with out giveing any help.
I think that it could have been any character doing that and they would have got the same responce.
Could have been Hordriss, Motley Or Even Sidriss. Elita also has the dis-advatage of being a rude little cow who some people just despise right of the bat.
Plus a lot of KM info sights class her as a villiness like Morgana and Malice. They don't say she is a nutral because of her attitued they just class her as evil, so that makes it even easyier for people to say she killed that block head of a dungeoneer.
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It was their own fault. I'd have liked Elita to taunt them a bit more, to be honest, perhaps throwing a few insults in about Helen for good measure.
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I think that it could have been any character doing that and they would have got the same responce.
Could have been Hordriss, Motley Or Even Sidriss.
I disagree. Hordriss or Motley maybe, but no-one could ever blame Sidriss for something like that. For one she's not smart enough to make a "dodgy deal", for another she's so absent minded she probably doesn't even know what the CoB IS.
And yes, that's another thing that irritates me, listing Elita as a villian. She's not evil, she just does what she d*mn well pleases.
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Mabey but she sure dose come very close to the thin line between anti-hero/Nutral & Villiane on a couple of occasions.
True but back then I would of I used to hate Sidriss so much. She grated on me like nothing else in KM exept Captin Nemnor.
That time in S8 when Snapper-Jack had her cornerd in the Sewers of Goth I was begging him to kill her.
Then agine my mate hated Elita but adored Sidriss. The week after the CoB incident he was rageig about Elita.
"Did you see what the Evil Little ****** did."
I Won't repeat what he called her but it started with a W and applied to her Sex life.
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An anti-hero is not a villain, Skarks. An anti-hero can be either a good guy fighting for the bad guys, or a bad guy fighting for the good guys.
Elita is neither. She is independent and neutral, and the thing is, "neutral" is a term that covers a wide range of attitudes, including many that are self-serving and unfriendly.
Being an elf, she clearly took great offence at how long it took the team in S5 to trust her. For that I can't blame her - she may not be jovial, but she was the nearest thing to a friendly face they were going to find in Level 3.
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I never said an Anti-Hero was a villiane.
Its just that its a very thin line between eithe deffinition.
One step one way you become a full fledge good guy a step the other way you become a bad guy.
Thats why I hate playing Anti-Heros you have got to be so dam careful how you act in the role or otherwise it dosen't work.
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I forgot to add something.
It's actually something I'm glad I didn't think of, because it means it's something noone does criticise (much). But if anyone DID criticize Hordriss or Clifford Norgate they'd probably have my lovely green staff aimed at the base of their skull. Yes, as the thread was originally intended, even if they were making good points.
goes back to hoovering wellway room carpet
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I hate playing Anti-Heros you have got to be so dam careful how you act in the role or otherwise it dosen't work.
Interesting you should say that, because anti-heroes are my favourite kind of characters. I haven't done much acting in the past, but when I have I've always found that narrow dividing line you speak of makes them wonderfully unpredictable, and far more complex than an out-and-out hero or villain, who will generally behave in exactly the way you'd expect.
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True But I always found thoses type of characters (Heros/Villianes) to have more freedom to the character you can prety much do what you like in a villine role because there are deffinat parameters same as a hero but in an Anti-Hero you are confined to walking a tite rope for lack of a better tearm.
Also I dissagrey about them being more 3D then good guys and bad guys complex yes but not SD. You never really (In my expierence) find out much about anti-heros. While that might work for a character such as Dr. Who a character who is the quinticsencal anti-hero. It dosen't work every time and can leave the audiance thinking well why did he/she act like that.
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