OK I must admit that I don't like trick questions being asked to teams.

And despite getting 2 out of 3 right, they didn't have an obvious hint on what to take.

Agree with HStrom JS must have been firmly brought up in the West Midlands.

What 2 questions were they asked previously to that (and indeed which team was it.)

The thing about Knightmare is that it could frighten you at unexpected moments. A recent example was when I was watching a knightmare repeat on challenge, sitting down, and sitting back in my seat, relaxed, then a spy glass scene appears, suddenly Lord Fear dips his hand into the adventure, I yell out "urgh" (or something like that,) the rest of the scene has me on the edge of my seat.

Looking at it on series guides it must have been:

Series 5, Team 3: Alan, Jim, Nic and Mark from St. Albans

Quest for the Sword - Duration: 47mins.

I liked Motleys frogs legs question, simply because its so simple.

Elitas hahaha hehehe to Alexs team in series 5 was funny (I can't remember the exact quote,) simply because the team took ages to realise they needed to use the spell on her.

Series 4, team 1, Helen, James, Rachel and Craig from Tyne and Wear:

The Quest for the Cup : Duration 43mins, was good when they gave Fatilla some gold and convinced him he could eat it.

Right that last post was before I had read any other posts, this comes after it, just so I could mearly see have an opinion first, without prompting then see what you all said, and maybe add to it.

3 main points. 2 from Malefacts post and 1 from knightmaredaves post.

First the 2 points from Malefacts post.

1. First scrolls. Thanks for reminding me, because I did enjoy these. The only reason I missed it out is because theres nothing in the series guides in the level1/2/3, about them, when describing the rooms in various levels.

2. End of season. I just don't think Knightmare ever got this right to be honest. In series 1 the team died at the final hurdle and the problem was avoided. Series 2, 3, 5, 6, and 8, were teams rescued during their quest, whilst they still hadn't done anything wrong, these teams were denied a chance of victory. Only in series 7 was it done right, although that was down to the team managing to get to the end of level 3, as the series was about to end. As for series 4 and its Christmas, when Treguard asked the team "if they wanted to be home for Christmas," it would have been funny if the team said back to him something like: "of course, but we do want to finish our quest first, and see if we win or lose." Overall 6 of the series endings I didn't like, although its difficult to know what could have been done about it.

WWTBA Millionairre always has a series ending as a contestant ends, avoiding problems such as in Knightmare.

OK it might be a little unfair to compare the two shows because WWTBA is a load of sitting and thinking, only the question being asked, the answer being given, CT saying: "final answer," the contestant saying "yes," and the answer revealed, and when contestants use lifelines, only ever have to be shown, there can be as much or as little "sitting and thinking" in between to build up tension as whatever the productions see fit.

Given that Knightmare was always edited (and here we can compare with WWTBA Millionairre,) surely the producers, could have avoided problems by doing the editing to avoid this problem and making sure a team dies/wins, at the end of a series, avoiding the problem of a team entering the dungeon, knowing they are not going to win.) (Before you ask, no I was not an editor on Knightmare,) but as it wasn't live, I do generally feel more could have been done with regards to this.

knightmaredave, I do not think Bens team had it easy. The quest lasted over an hour, so I don't think it was shortened for quickness or for a team to win at all. I thought this team was very good. Julius Scaramonger ok was not exactly difficult to deal with, but their reply of "its too hot," was witty, and quickly thought off during a "live" conversation. The questions with Sly hands in level 2 were perhaps easy, but the scene where they were trying to convince Gwen, that they were indeed Ben was funny and entertaining. I do not think it was obvious whether they had to use fire or freeze to defeat Aesandre, and in general their teamwork on causeways was excellant. Finally they dealt with Elita perfectly, and as you may have noticed in the post above, teams had to earn something from her.

There is always slight differences in quests, so yes we could go through on a room and room basis for every quest ever done, however I do think this was a good team, who dealt with everything the dungeon threw at them, and one might say that their quest was easy, because they made it look easy.

I must say that I liked the introduction of Lord Fear, and the introduction of the spy glass, which added drama, to the action. As well as that it was a way of teams getting info, although I do see the point of them having to earn it in series 3, by getting questions right in a clue room.

Series 3 characters and series 5 characters well I can't be bothered to go through all of them, but Motley is one of my favourite characters simply because he was in it for a long time, and of course he was funny. (Well he made me laugh anyway.) Series 5 charachers, well obviously Lord Fear was the main character introduced for Series 5, and I would not want to work for him, with his demands to kill off every dungoneer, when he never gives his crew enough to work on, and keeps giving away clues.

Elita was a good character. She could be rude and appear unhelpful, but if teams met her challenge they often got rewarded. I think the way she dealt with team 3 and team 4 in series 5, (or more bluntly how the teams dealt with her,) team 3 taking ages to decide to do anything, team 4 making their mind up quickly, and the different rewards the teams got, confirmed that she could be helpful if teams were to her, but she made them earn something.

As for rooms, well if I was doing a knightmare combined for series 3 and series 5, I would have Causeway Puzzles from levels 1, 2, and 3, (which was a long series of Roman Numerals,) from series 5, C of B, the Block and Tackle, and from series 3, Open Ground (the green path,) water room, The Corridor of the Catacombs, Beams' Path, The Scorpion, The Corridor of the Catacombs 2, the Bomb rooms (I missed these rooms after they were took out at the end of series 3,) firecave, and serpents tongue (and therefore its stomach,) spindizzy, many doors, raven, giant step, merlin's throne, The Corridor of the Catacombs 3, Corridor of Spears, Medusa, Cats, Narrow causeway, and Catacombite.

Some of those rooms may only be used as one offs, and obviously time to shorten or lengthen quests and the nature of quests would see what rooms would be used. As for say should the wellway or Smirkenorff the dragon should be used it doesn't bother me too much, neither does having a dice room or just teams verbially choosing their quest before it starts. You might notice I haven't chosen a clue room, thats not to say there wouldn't be one at all, it only shows that I'm not too fussed, should Oakley, or Golgarach and Brangwen be used.

As for characters I would have, Motley, Merlin, Mrs. Grimwold (and pet dog,) Brother Mace, Sir Hugh de Witless, Hordriss The Confuser, Lord Fear, Skarkill The Goblin Master, Julius Scaramonger, Elita the Cavern Elf, Sylvester 'Sly' Hands, and others.

Of course Treguard would be there, but he was there in every series. Pickle, well he interfeared in series 4, so I would have him, but not as an adviser to the team, more like a character in the dungeon.

You might notice a lot of characters for my "baddies" were from series 5. Don't get me wrong I liked Velda and McGrew from series 3, and also Mellisandre, but I don't think having Mellisandre would look right in a series that has Lord Fear and a series of baddies. Olaf, Mogdred, Morghanna, were also good characters as well.

The main reason why I think I have picked a load of series 5 baddies is because I liked the idea of having a central "main baddie" Lord Fear, who was the boss, and could tell everyone else what to do.

Oh a long answer to a simple question although I don't really think it is a simple question. Series 5 had a main baddie, and Spy glass scenes added drama, as well as difficult causeways, but series 3 had more variety of rooms, so I guess the rooms were better in level 3, but because of a chief baddie, in series 5 I have more characters from that series, so what I am really saying is that Lord Fear and his series of baddies in series 3 would be the best combination.

However it still remains despite all that only good teams won Knightmare, so it was still a challenge.

Are we allowed good advisors etc from teams that didn't win.

If so, I would notimate Helen from the 3rd team, in series 5. She was one of the good advisors, but had 2 teammates who let her down, so she can be in this team to win.

Heres a good topic that can be discussed. Imagine you were setting Knightmare questions for millionairre. Remember the questions are simple to start off with but get more difficult towards the end.

Does anyone have any ideas what questions could be asked. Simple to start off with remember (i.e. have to be blindlingly obvious.)

But not really though.

Teams that took the wrong path across the floor puzzle were automatically dead, as the floor would automatically fall quicker than normal if that happened.

To be fair though if you've ever tried to step onto one of those spinning things (especially at theme parks at water rides) its difficult enough to keep your balance when you can see. (And is by far the most interesting part of the ride.)

When blind folded it would be very difficult. Thats an evil first room to have in series 4.

Oh and you still haven't answered the question about the block and tackle. Have you got your breath back yet?

The lack of just one answer oftejn killed off teams in series 3. When I last did this, teams 4, 7, 9, 10, and 11, were 5 teams whose lack of one answer led to their downfall.

*Failed to tell Motley about the Cobra behind him, (I'm guessing they'd been given a 'step' had they warned him)

I didn't much take to Team 3 of Series 5 either they were pretty lame...

Well my guess is they could have still avoided their fate in the bomb room, as well as having a step. (Maybe a freeze spell or something.)

As for series 5 team 3 Helen was a good adviser, and did you notice how the dungoneer always asked advice from here before the others. William has to have been one of the worst, as they didn't listen to Treguard and Pickle, tried to hide the knife, and didn't give the jewell to Elita. Nevertheless Helen was good from that team and probably deserved to win (but the others didn't.)

So I suppose everyone has read the latest edition of the eye shield issue 37. If not have a quick look read the article on advisors then come back here. Done that. Good.

Ian Healy had a very unresponsive dungeoneer to work with as was said when their quest was reviewed, in December 1996. Duncan failed to call halt at seven levels down, and that is what led to them being in the corridor of blades in the first place.

And although Giedon was entertaining with his crys of "OH MY GOD," the team at least made it into level 3.

Andrew Bebb however will always be remembered for his part in the worst death in the history of knightmare (or at least one of them.) Side stepping left in the block and tackle. But perhaps what makes this death so entertaining and the advisor look so stupid, is that it wasn't said in a blind panic or anything, it was said casually as though the dungeoneer was meant to do exactly that. It was one of those classic knightmare moments. Goodness knows what the rest of team said to him on the way home. Afterwards I also love the way the team attack the clipboards, with their pencils just in disbelief at whats happened, and also the way Treguard, and Pickle are desperately trying not to laugh.

As for the best advisors, I agree with them especially Helen. She at least deserved to win the quest, even if the other two advisors didn't.

There are perhaps other canidates as well (bit of a disadvantage only limiting it to 5.)

Mark from Horsham in series 3 team 3. Didn't know his left from his right.

Also from series 3 team 5, which ever one of them guided James off the ledge.

Also from series 3, team 8, as they didn't bother to tell Motley there was a snake behind him.

Probably several others as well.

Heres another question for you then.

Have you got your breath back from doing the block and tackle?

So here we are 7 years into the website (give or take a few days near enough anyway.) I myself first came aware of this website after the 100 greatest kids TV shows on channel 4.

Since then I've become a member of this forum, signed the BBK guestbook, I even got a reply from channel 5 regarding an email I sent to them for them to repeat Knightmare. (I'm sure all of you have done similar things maybe more.)

I do believe in part that this website has managed to get challenge TV to show repeats of Knightmare, and I've enjoyed watching the repeats on challenge.

As well as that there has been several mentions of Knightmare series 9 by various people on here, and with Tim Child doing a new pilot show it looked quite hopeful at one stage.

However whilst watching repeats on challenge one thing bugged me. Whilst it was nice to watch the repeats (and I did enjoy it) and whilst its likely I might buy a DVD set of all 8 series should one come out, my thought was should they actually bother doing a new series. Would Knightmare series 9, ever be as good as the pervious 8. Would the Knew Knightmare, be as good as the old one? What if I didn't enjoy the Knew Knightmare as much as I enjoyed the old one.

For me I think seeing the repeats on challenge reminded me how much I loved the show when I was younger (which is why I'm a member of this forum,) but I did question whether a new series would actually ever be needed. Especially as TV companies took no interest in Tim Childs pilot show.

So what do others think?

The Pickle joke was a set up. We came from a Village called Tiptoe and they thought that wasn't Knightmare enough. When they found out it was on the edge of the New Forest they put that stupid joke in.

Still funny though. Or at least I think so.

Talking of funny jokes Motley did a good one on your quest.

"What did the assassin say to the victim?"

"Knife to see you!".

You must be 29 now I think (scary that you were on TV 15 years now.)

So have you recently watched the quest on Challenge TV? Oh, and yes I really enjoyed watching your quest. I think we all did.

Are you still friends with Bret?

How old are you now?

Some more questions I've thought of:

Are they still in contact with each other?

What was the reaction when they got back to school?

And the team who also ignored Treguard in series 5, when they were told to take an arrow ("no Pickle, not a weapon, more like a token,") then they don't take it, take the poison, and have a weird idea about trying to hide a knife.

Good idea for Simons team: "Walk forward"

Bad idea for the same team: "Side step to the left."

Simons team was in series 4.