A “nice to have in your collection” isn’t enough to justify an official release.

Shame really, because I’m still waiting for the unlikely Gamemaster to be released. That show was the blueprint for all videogame shows that followed, and inspired me to look at things in a wider picture and lighthearted way.

If you read the other thread in Knews discussion, you’ll see a “pirate DVD = bad / good argument”.

Haha.

Just because one method “isn’t taken that seriously” does that make it more acceptable? As you’ve admitted, it’s just as illegal and trying to justify it by saying subscription fees have been paid, therefore you’re entitled to copy whatever you want and store it in your own personal collection is completely wrong.

Forums are for discussion. If this thread is considered arguing, then you can count one person less from contributing.

The truth is, there are two sides to every argument and the subject of piracy will never go away. Both sides have expressed their opinions over the subject, but it does really seem a tad bullish that I’ve become the enemy. I’ve merely raised points from a business perspective in terms of taking Knightmare as a BRAND, further.

In all honesty, do you really want to watch a show where other players are solving puzzles? We’ve now got the technology to put the viewer in control. Even a DVD Knightmare game might work. And it all comes down to whether or not there is a large enough market.

I never disagreed with respecting the producers’ wishes. In fact, It’s a compliment that something he has created lives on.

Despite my comments, I cannot believe that they have been ignored, and how bullish everyone remains.

Whereas Knightmare was pioneering back in the 80s, perhaps the concept and format simply doesn’t work as a game show anymore. The low interest in Knightmare VR proves this – there simply isn’t enough of a market to justify the investment.

What developers and producers should be considering is the technology available, and what this represents in terms of opportunities to take Knightmare further.

VR simply didn’t work. And developers take note: with the current generation of games consoles, the technology is there for you. Puzzle solving based game, with real time rendered graphics. Unlockable cel-shaded graphics, online play.

All this is there for you.

I don’t want to speculate on his rational. Like I said I don’t care – I just hope that the winning buyer enjoys his episodes, will discover this site, and start posting on this forum and talk about how great it is. Then pass them on to other people which in turn will create more fans. Which then, stimulate interest in further developments and ideas for new series’

I have an opinion, and want to voice it. I’m new member and already you’ve shown how hostile it can be if I don’t share the same thoughts.

Will you delete your tapes and throw away your DVDs now?

Trust me, if I did something on eBay, you would know about it!

I’m not going to speculate on the rational behind putting it up for auction. Perhaps the seller prefers it that way – lower insertion fees etc. I don’t care. But people don’t do things for free – there has to be an incentive.

You have episodes right (albeit illegal in itself); would you distribute these to fans for free or at cost? I think not. For the buyer, it must feel like finding gold.

You know yourself that an official DVD would never happen (as explained previously) simply because of cost. Not only would there be costs in production, but marketing them and then finding the distribution channels to get them to the consumer. It all feels unworthwhile.

Keeping things alive isn’t down a few people. You need to build a bigger community and to find new blood. It’s a narrow minded view that unofficial = bad.

Before I discovered this forum, I was actually planning on doing some sets, but given the turbulent circumstances I think not.

Knightmare Year One: Limited Edition

1 disc – Dual Layer media 8.5GB worth of video

Treguard Manga artwork cover in high gloss!

DVD quality video, 2ch AC3 audio.

Animated menus, episode selection

PSP video files to watch on the go.

Despite the previous points raised, you’re still adamant that the official DVD release is hindered on bootleg copies from TV? Your interesting point of royalties and fees only cements the fact that no official DVD will ever be a worthwhile venture.

While I can understand that you and many others are upset over other people are making money from the Knightmare brand, who is to say that this is a bad thing?

I do not condone piracy in any form, but that fact that Knightmare has reached cult status is a testament to how strong and popular the show was and still is. The more people that watch the show the longer the buzz is kept alive. Not only this, but is essential for inspiring further generations to watch the show (that would otherwise have missed out).

Business wise, I think Granada would shoot themselves in the foot if an official DVD release ever made it into production. The widespread distribution of the episodes makes the chance to resell broadcast rights extremely unattractive – selling rights/contracts is easier than selling direct to customer.

People like you and me are blessed with having the resources to watch the show. But many don’t have access to Sky, DVDs or archived episodes. To me, grumpled fans reporting these discs are actually quite selfish – you’re denying other fans the chance to relive these shows and limiting its fan base to the hardcore only, ultimately reducing the interest and future developments of the show.

For hardcore fans, the repeats in the morning never have the annoying adverts in the top left corner of the screen or the voice over on the credits.

My broadcast was OK. I'm on Sky Digital, so maybe it has something to do with that?

And do you watch your recordings just “once”?

In terms of an official DVD, you have to ask yourself – is it really going to happen?

You have to look at the market – while many are quite happy to watch a bootleg copy once or twice, there are those that want own a lavish boxset of the series. And the truth is, there just isn’t enough people to make it an economically viable venture - you can’t just sell to a hardcore market, it’s too much of a risk.

As per my previous post, I’ll be doing some artwork and some mockup boxsets to hopefully inspire some sort of official DVD to be produced. But until the unlikely happens, let fans relive and enjoy the show the same as they did all those years ago.

Yes, there is huge potential to make loads of money on eBay, but no one is willing to supply for free on a mass scale. Where there’s demand there’s supply. For now, just let fans enjoy the show.

Piracy really is a question of ethics. What I would like to know is how many of those opposed to DVD/episode trading actually own copies of the shows? This in itself is illegal.

Those lucky enough to own the shows are blessed with being able to hold out for an official DVD release. But what about those that don’t? Just as it was back then, Knightmare is still extremely popular and lives in the hearts of many. Why be ignorant and selfish deny these fans revisiting the shows?

Yes, there is money involved, but when there is no alternative, what are your options?

I’m planning on making an unofficial slipcase for the DVDs and individual DVD sleeves. How many would be interested?

No More Knightmare

Anyone know if Challenge will repeat from the beginning?

Yeah, it'd be nice to watch from the beginning again!

Hi there,

Any one know what series and episode is being re run on Challenge?

Thanks.