TAPE PIRACY
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Thank you for the level headed comments above ~ I myself do not think it is necessary to 'lock' the thread, most of the views within it have been well portrayed, however I must agree that resorting to making these issues personal does nothing to help the situation at all.
I must also remind people that if there is (perceived to be) a problem on the forum, the best way to deal with it is by reporting the topic or the post, and then it can be dealt with in a way that keeps arguments off the forum. I am quite sure most people know this is the procedure, so it would be helpful if everyone would use this manner in the future.
Happy debating.
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What amazed me was that one Knightmare DVD auction this week had the nerve to take the season 6 stats box from Knightmare.com, and paste it layout and all into their auction description. In fairness the auction was actually removed by the seller.
As there have been attempts to compare recording TV programmes onto VHS for personal use and selling DVD copies I thought I would raise a new point.
Both are illegal, albeit watching personal recordings more than once isn't taken that seriously. However the first means you have persumably paid for subscription to Sky/NTL etc. and have then decided to record the show onto VHS or DVD (or computer). Whereas the second means that you have done the first AND then sold on copies, ie. reproduced something you don't own the copyright to.
It often the case that people who do this are doing this for their own personal financial gain, though this is besides the point.
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Just because one method “isn’t taken that seriously” does that make it more acceptable? As you’ve admitted, it’s just as illegal and trying to justify it by saying subscription fees have been paid, therefore you’re entitled to copy whatever you want and store it in your own personal collection is completely wrong.
Forums are for discussion. If this thread is considered arguing, then you can count one person less from contributing.
The truth is, there are two sides to every argument and the subject of piracy will never go away. Both sides have expressed their opinions over the subject, but it does really seem a tad bullish that I’ve become the enemy. I’ve merely raised points from a business perspective in terms of taking Knightmare as a BRAND, further.
In all honesty, do you really want to watch a show where other players are solving puzzles? We’ve now got the technology to put the viewer in control. Even a DVD Knightmare game might work. And it all comes down to whether or not there is a large enough market.
I never disagreed with respecting the producers’ wishes. In fact, It’s a compliment that something he has created lives on.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11048&item=8207750044&rd=1
A PC game?!?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60902&item=6419040907&rd=1
And another miscreant!
These people don't quit do they!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11048&item=8207750044&rd=1
A PC game?!?
This is a legit auction. There are a few games out there (an arcade game, an MSX game, and a PC game) which are all called 'Knightmare', yet have nothing to do with the show.
Here's another illegal DVD auction, though:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80025&item=6419860230&rd=1
Also, this is interesting. It's a CD with a collection of TV themes on it, one of which being the Knightmare theme. Again, though, I strongly doubt that this is genuine, and is most probably a CD with lots of songs downloaded off the internet.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30146&item=4752042992&rd=1
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Here's another illegal DVD auction, though:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80025&item=6419860230&rd=1
Also, this is interesting. It's a CD with a collection of TV themes on it, one of which being the Knightmare theme. Again, though, I strongly doubt that this is genuine, and is most probably a CD with lots of songs downloaded off the internet.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30146&item=4752042992&rd=1
Sigh It's people like that who give Honest Themesters like me a bad reputation & give the imprestion we're only out to profit from it.
There's plenty of us who just collect and swap themes free for our own personal fun and enjoyment.
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A “nice to have in your collection” isn’t enough to justify an official release.
Shame really, because I’m still waiting for the unlikely Gamemaster to be released. That show was the blueprint for all videogame shows that followed, and inspired me to look at things in a wider picture and lighthearted way.
If you read the other thread in Knews discussion, you’ll see a “pirate DVD = bad / good argument”.
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I pray that this ain't gonna cause yet another long thread on the same subject as we have had several times before but may I make a request?
It's already been established that many people out there are trying to cash in on the current retro-trends by selling pirate copies of Knightmare along with a multitude of other programs. We all know where E-Bay can be found and Knightmare memoribilia (such as it is) etc can be easily tracked down through this service. Because of this, is it possible for us to stop these "AArrgh! aaarggh! Pirate DVD's!" threads here on the forum?
By all means, make your point known to Ebay and the individuals concerned (IMHO, so long as we stay polite and professional, I encourage doing this) but there is little point in this forum being filled with anti-pirate war-cries. Although the sentiment is a good one, it's telling the wrong people of what's going on!
Although this is an unofficial site, it has become (through size, longevity and hard work on the part of the webmasters) the closest we're gonna get to an official Home! Due to this, the stance is and always will be anti-pirate. Tim Child himself and members of the cast have been known to frequent this very forum and have contributed to the site on more than one occasion. It is only right that we consider the copyright that THEY hold.
The story of the NKTP 'Robin Hood' tape-traders gone overboard is now legendary and is the main reason why the majority of older users are against wholesale piracy with the tenacity of Lord F's Blockers.
Thanks for listening, this is just my £10 (should be 2p but inflation can be hellish at times...... ).
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Ok I think a bit of rearranging is required here.
Whilst I appreciate this is a hot debate at the moment, and indeed an important issue, I would like it to be kept to one thread, if possible, and therefore I shall merge the two threads so we can keep all ebayness in the same place.
Thank yous.
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I'm sure this has probably already been mentioned on here, but has anyone seen these?
http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/91/a9/b6_1_b.JPG
Does anyone own it? Or know if it's any good?
Fru x
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No idea, just someone putting a bit of effort to on the cover to hide the fact that it is an unauthorised copy and therefore illegal.
Until recently Knightmare.com was suffering from ebay sellers hotlinking to images on this site, but that's since been fixed.
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Looks quite well made.
I wouldn't bid for it though as it is a fake.
Oh I do wish an official DVD release would happen.
Just think, September 2007!
Imagine a 20th anniversary boxed set.
All the series.
Think of the extras, CITV links, Knightmare characters on CITV, outtakes and a retrospective documentary featuring interviews with cast, crew and 'brave bands of youngsters'...
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Yes, but it's still a fake and I don't know about the rest of you but I'd never buy anything unless it was official.
September 2007 would be a good date for a release, let's hope it happens!
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Just seen this on ebay
Basically someone is selling series 1-4 of knightmare. They have quite a few copies 7 at the moment, and have sold alot more as well. This is the 2nd time that I know of that the seller has offered this package.
I suggested in this forum that we could have used our collections to make a set which could be sold to the fans for a reasonable price. I got told in no uncertain terms this was illegal. However this guy is making a hell of a lot of money on knightmare £21(inc p+p) on each one sold and he can make as many of these as he likes.
Is this right? I thought I would just run it by you, i;m sure you will all be interested. No doubt if this is allowed 1 or 2 of you will even purchase one yourself, but it seems a little unfair how he is making so much money out of knightmare, when real fans would love for such a set but will no doubt be priced out of buying buy the seller.
For example I could purchase 1 for £21 to acquire the footage and simply do what hes doing. I have the right equiptment it wouldn;t take long. However I regard this as illegal and not the done thing.
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Technically, no. It is illegal, I think.
Every now and then someone sells Knightmare illegally on eBay.
Yes, if it was allowed, I would buy a copy but I wouldn't be sure until I saw on this forum (or the main site) that there had been an official release. Otherwise, wouldn't risk it.
And the others will no doubt tell you about the hotlinking.
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What he is doing is not only illegal but unscrupulous. I think eBay should be obliged to take more responsibility for activities that they are effectively supporting and endorsing through such a relative lack of supervision. I guess it's the age-old business stance - no matter how morally reprehensible an act is, you can still get away with it if it isn't technically illegal.
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