Series 2 - Episode 11
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I suppose the logic could be that the Medal siginifies "winning" the battle against Ariadne? There's as much logic to that as whistling your way past her, anyway...
I agree that they were harshly treated though. A couple of seconds of dithering is all they were guilty of - perhaps this would be punished in level three, but the automaton gave them no time at all.
They had to free Gretel, though. No team would have been allowed to continue and win if they'd refused the chance to free her.
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But still, it's bloody Gretel! Sod the code, I want to see Ariadne eat her!
LOL. Definitely. It's amazing how these tiresome dungeon wenches get into these situations all the time. Do they EVER learn from their mistakes? No, dear reader, they don't. I bet if she's still infecting technospace with her pointless over-enthusiasm, Mellisandre still goes and stands on trapdoors whenever she comes across them.
I'd be tempted to apply a "survival of the fittest" principle to the dungeon inhabitants. I mean, if you inhabit a dungeon along with goblins, hobgoblins, cavernwights, catacombites, Velda's horrendous acting ability and assorted other nasties, you're not going to last long when you can't escape some leg stocks when THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING YOU LIFTING THE TOP BAR AND GETTING YOURSELF FREE. That's just sheer laziness, and if my imaginary team had come across such a situation I'd have instructed our dungeoneer to ignore her pleas and sidestep quickly away. It's a kindness, really.
Treguard: "But there's a girl here needing your aid, Team."
GG: "Keep sidestepping, that's it. Tell the lazy little cow to run next time she sees goblins coming toward her, rather than standing there waving her arms around and asking them if they've seen Motley."
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I didn't appear until 1989 Grimaldine, that was 1988
If we're going to be trainspotter-esque about it, I think the reference was to Melly's repeated failure to steer clear of stocks in series 4/1990, as is backed up by the references to Motley and to the Goblins. Sorry mate!
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I personally think that if the team had had the MEDAL spell, and they freed gretel with the FREE spell, Gretel (after telling the team to use the MEDAL spell to get out) would perhaps have given a piece of information or a spell after the team would have said that they had MEDAL (Had they got to Merlin's Throne Room yet? If not, perhaps they would have got a 'step' clue here - the step clues are often, if Adventure Time in the Eye Shield is anything to go by, given as an 'afterthought', i.e. at the end of the conversation, the character will often add "Oh, and the first/second/third step is...")
Just my 2 cents worth.
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I think you're a bit confused. Merlin's Throne Room with the Step Clues didn't appear until Series 3.
Oops, I forgot about that! I haven't actually seen these series, I have just read the Series guides on this website and made a little slip there.
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I personally think that if the team had had the MEDAL spell, and they freed gretel with the FREE spell, Gretel (after telling the team to use the MEDAL spell to get out) would perhaps have given a piece of information or a spell after the team would have said that they had MEDAL
That's my theory too, I'm guessing that since they hadn't got the MEDAL spell and had freed Gretel, giving them any extra information would have been pointless since they weren't going to get out of the Lair. Still think it was unfair though.
And I agree with GG, those bloody Dungeon Maids are just asking for trouble! You'd think Melisandre would have the sense to NOT stand on blatantly obvious trapdoors.
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If we're going to be trainspotter-esque about it, I think the reference was to Melly's repeated failure to steer clear of stocks in series 4/1990, as is backed up by the references to Motley and to the Goblins. Sorry mate!
Yes, that was the reference. Thankyou for mentioning it, Mr. P. In fairness, my message there was also a bit tongue in cheek. I'm very willing for people to correct me on points of fact, and I do like a good debate sometimes, but doing so to posts meant to be just slightly humorous rather than informative might not be the best thing to do.
It's all good.
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Oh yrah it would have been great if aRIE ADNIE HAD ATE GRETEL THEN WEwouldnt not have had to listen to her go on and on yeah if Knightmare does come back,(positive thoughts!!) then get aa back in and get her to eat gretel a one off cameo appearance!!!
(cant help get the feeling i am being more blunt than ever today a si have been all weekend hhhmmmmm, well sorry if it does msoudn blunt!
Just well liked the post
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if Knightmare does come back,(positive thoughts!!) then get aa back in and get her to eat gretel a one off cameo appearance!!!
Seconded! I'd love to see Gretel getting messily devoured. Alternatively, Mildread could cook her. (after telling her that the cauldron's really a jacuzzi)
I'd both love and hate to see Ariadne back in Knightmare. I really liked her as an enemy, since she chowed down on a few Dungeoneers and was pretty damn intimidating. But I'm also arachnophobic, so she scared the hell out of me too.
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Bit easy in the Beam Room - all they had to do was walk straight forward in the direction the dungeoneer was facing! Other teams have had the dungeoneer slightly misaligned in this room and had to keep stopping, rotating and/or sidestepping the dungeoneer =P
Bees were used on the troll this time, by opening the jar of Humbugs!
I liked how Mildread appeared to be sleeping, but could be seen opening one eye in the close-up! I also thought they'd lost after Mildread didn't accept the Small Change, but they conjured up a well by throwing the Small Change purse into the cauldron!
Notice how the smoke coming from cauldron stopped before he threw the purse into the cauldron. Probably so that smoke wouldn't still be coming out of the wellway when it appeared!
The answer to the first riddle was 'Hippogriff'... so, it wasn't an original J. K. Rowling idea! Riddles seemed fairly easy this time.
I liked how Cedric tried to fight off the monster in the green Corridor of Catacombs! Look closely and you'll see Cedric is right up against the back of the blue room when attacking with his staff!
Didn't get much time to retrieve the Medal spell before the Automatum came in!
A ghost was above the clue table, who told them to 'free' it by turning over the talisman. After using that, it was pretty obvious which items to take, plus the ghost told them to beware the talisman! Also gained a bonus spell, FREE, which actually appeared as a word on the screen! (was it like this in the original CITV broadcast?)
Mistake in this room too... As the dungeoneer approached the table, the satellite feed switched over to some other channel, where a phone-in game was taking place. Oddly, the Challenge logo remained! Soon switched back to Knightmare though. Anyone else saw this?
Looks like they're sticking with the silent 6-8 logo for the ad breaks
In Ariadne's lair (not 'layer'!), they used the FREE spell to free the maid. Notice how the spellcaster started to cast it again when they thought it hadn't worked.
The maid told them to use the MEDAL spell, but of course they never got a chance to collect the MEDAL spell! So died there. And we finally got to see Ariadne walk off the other side of the screen.
I think they were in losing status from the point where they missed getting the MEDAL spell. I wonder though, could they have used that FREE spell for themselves and carried on? If so, they'd probably have come into a place where they couldn't get out without the maid's help, or the MEDAL spell.
Next team gained a spell from Gretel in the first room, FOUL. Did they take the correct door in the first room? To me, first left and first right indicated the two doors right in front of the dungeoneer (one of which was Fire Exit). They wanted to take the Fire Exit, but Treguard commented "Where's the fire?".
Now I know where the fire was - in the next room, the Cave of Fire! They got burned by the flames and took life force damage, but managed to get food in the next room (clue room).
The camera on Olgarth seemed to be a bit out of position, too high. Got 3/3, then timed out! Got to see a 'pure' version of the Mills of Doom over the credits, without the Y-panels in the centre of the cogs.
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A very harsh death, there seemed very little time to collect a medal spell, with the automatum being that fast. Oh, and they do the bold thing and free a maid, but get killed for it. Tch.
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There was no "well animation" this ep (hope you know what I mean) the dungeon was just seen stepping in and landing at the bottom.
I thought that it was the dungeoneer that repeated the spell, I could be wrong though.
I didn't think that this was a fair death, the dungeoneer didn't get a chance to retrieve the medal. If they hadn't used the free spell on Gretal - they could have made it through but their quest would have been incomplete.
New team - good to have a dungeoneer that knew the answers to the riddles.
Gretel: "You should be able to tell if I'm pretty from my voice"
. . . ask a leading question . . .
Was this the first "moving" scene behind the titles? (usually the animation is stopped before the credits roll)
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Great ad-lib from Audrey Jenkinson-
"Do you think I'm pretty?"
"I can't see you"
"Oh, but Julian, you should be able to tell from my voice that I'm terribly pretty, so DO YOU THINK I'M PRETTY!? (stamps foot)"
I noticed the sudden flash of the quiz programme just before the ad-break too- it was a bit of Quiz TV, which takes up part of TV Travel Shop's time during these hours.
Bizarre death- Treguard hinted that they shouldn't use the FREE spell on Gretel (yes, the 'Gift Spell: FREE' also appeared on the original broadcast), but they did it anyway. And they certainly didn't have enough time to grab the 3 medal pieces- could this have been the forced death due to a team member getting homesick?
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Mistake in this room too... As the dungeoneer approached the table, the satellite feed switched over to some other channel, where a phone-in game was taking place. Oddly, the Challenge logo remained! Soon switched back to Knightmare though. Anyone else saw this?
Well It sounds like it happened everywhere then as it happened to me too, looked like a technicly fault on the channel???Did this happen on Sky Digital As well, I watched it on NTL Digital, Just Curious????
Anyway back to the episode, What an very unfair death. No way did they have time to pick up all the Medal Pieces, as soon as got the first piece, The Automatum stormed in and was immedinatly next to the second piece of the Medal so it was impossible to get the other pieces. Why was this, I dont think they gave the team a fair chance here?????Did they want to kill them off?????
Anway saying this, they didnt techniclly need to use their free spell, as Treguard said You could save the spell for themselves, However maybe they thought Free The Lady and She would help them escape, However it can be risky sometimes and this proved it.
I did laugh at the Advisor spellcasting the Spell Twice, made me chuckle a little.
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