Those that were denied...
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I was watching some episodes of KM series 3 & 4 earlier and I have to say S3 team 2 and s4 team 1 deaths were kinda unfair first team 2 series 3 how on earth were they meant to know they had to dispell the DANCE spell they put on McGrew I mean he hardly even begged them and Only really quietly said mercy no where near loud enough to even hint they are meant to listen to his pleading this seemed very unfair to me viewing the episode again.
Also s4 team 1 BUT and Transformation again no clue whatsoever what BUT did and Hordriss made out the TRANSFORMATION spell to be the powerful one and the BUT one to be the nobler one again seems like there was deliberatly no hint in hopes of not letting team 1 win a series.
Cmon if it was you, you would have gone for transformation too since its sounds more like the type of spell you would need against mogdread considering there was no hint at all what the BUT spell does.
I found these deaths kinda unfair to me so whats yer views?
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Well, I can see your point on those two particular deaths. My thoughts on them:
S3T2: I agree, it was kinda unfair. It was obvious that the team needed to cast the spell to save themselves, but it was far from obvious that they had to dispell the magic. It wasn't really until Cliff was almost through the door that McGrew started pleading for mercy, and even then there wasn't anything to really suggest that they should have dispelled. On one side it's a shame because the team had been doing fine up to that point. On the other side they did get to go out in one of my favourite death sequences (I love the way the Life Force clock suddenly accelerates when the sword hits them)!
S4T1: Again, not entirely obvious what they had to do. It was obvious they had to use magic, but which one? I guess they should have realised that it would have taken them a while to cast "Spellcasting: T-R-A-N-S-F-O-R-M-A-T-I-O-N", and they were in immediate danger, so I can see how they should have realised what to do. Again, a shame that one mistake cost them an otherwise fine performance, although this time round I wouldn't call it unfair as such.
Another suggestion for an "unfair" death - Season 2 Team 5. Ultimately they died because they didn't understand the jumbled message given by the Oracle of Confusion, so took the message "Take the word but do not read" literally, where I think they should have unjumbled it to say "Read the word but do not take it", so instead of taking the scroll (I think it was a scroll) they should have read it and took the other two items, thus having the glove to use against the Catacomb Bite (and the scroll may have instructed them of this). However, I do kind of see this as a "demo run" of the Oracle, and having realised how they'd made the message overly confusing they decided to make it less so for season 3.
Similar to this was Season 4 Team 5, where the team went up against Merlin's backwards questions. How were they supposed to answer? Should they give him correct answers or make the correct answers backwards? Did "Falsehood" mean they were right or wrong? Did they actually get the spell or not (I'm assuming they didn't, but again it wasn't clear)? Again, something very confusing that may or may not have been an unfair death.
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Team 5 in S4 coulda got through the block and tackle even without magic but then I think they would have become Ariadnes lunch for having no sprint spell.
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Thing with t1 Series 4 I mean cmon BUT It doesnt even sound like a type of spell to use in immediate danger. mad confusion there.
But at least we both totally agree on S3 team 2 there was absolutly no obvious hint they had to dispell - meh series 3 was too harsh lol.
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I don't mind S4 T1's demise as far as unfairness is concerned.
I do agree to an extent, however, on S3 T2. They may not have been the greatest team ever, but I think they deserved a bit better than what they got. It's so hard to hear what McGrew is saying with the silly music and the accent and the fact he blabbers incoherently until they're almost out the door. Considering the amount of times teams hang around after dealing with such a challenge only to be told by Treguard to get a move on before the magic runs out/creature comes back/etc. I can see why they made a quick getaway. Pity the door wasn't on the other side of the room, so they might have had more time to get the message, or that Treguard didn't give a little hint. I can definitely imagine Pickle or Majida giving a hint. In a sense, I guess they were doomed by their own decisiveness in getting out, a little like Series 5 Team 2 who forgot the little clue from Gwendoline about the gold in their eagerness to get away from Ariadne.
Oh, Merlin and his silly opposites. I definitely think that was unfair and downright surreal. Lock the old fool up in some stocks and throw away the key.
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I do agree to an extent, however, on S3 T2. They may not have been the greatest team ever, but I think they deserved a bit better than what they got.
Yeah, I didn't think they were all that bad either. However it's worth bearing in mind that they actually got the fourth furthest out of all the teams in Series 3, only being bettered by the three that made it into level 3. So they didn't do that badly, really, even if they were killed off for not un-DANCEing McGrew, which I don't think I'd have done either given his apparent desire to cleave them in 'twain without a second thought. He was much less murderous when encountered by later teams
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I agree with the comments made about the team in series, where Merlin asked all the questions backwards- how the **** were they supposed to respond!?! And was what they said right or wrong? That was a stupid puzzle- BTW does anyone know the right answers to that set of questions?
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Someone posted the answers on a topic ages ago, and I remember that they made perfect sense when I read them. Unfortunately I've completely forgotten what they were.
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I personall think series 8, team 3 were hard done by - the majority of the conversations, as a rule, tend to be 'automatic' in the way they turn out, i.e. if a team need to give a character an item in return for something, it's usually pretty much impossible to go wrong if they have the required item. With this team, Maldame offered no help in returning the amber globe, and they died as a result (yes, they said sidestep left instead of right, but Treguard said that they could have got 'some extra magic' from Maldame - it might well have been contrived so that they would inevitably die without the 'extra magic', which seemed to be the general concensus from previous discussions about whether the sight potions/spells were essential or not. And I can't think of anything else but a sight potion or spell that they should have got).
Also, series 8 team 2, again, they let the conversation work out 'automatically' and gave away the sight potion that they needed. And they got no hints about Honesty Bartram like team 3 did (first Stiletta gave them a warning, then they saw Lord Fear telling Honesty Bartram not to give the team a RISKY potion - making it obvious that the RISKY potion was needed).
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Again, I can't help but agree. Teams 2 & 3 in series 8 were definetly the best teams that season, and it was an absolute travesty when they were killed off (esp. team 2). If they had switched the order of teams around, with teams 2 and 3 replacing say 5 or 6, then we would easily have seen a justified winner. But as for the winning team in that year...
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There's confusion, and then there's the Opposites thing with Merlin.
I would have got one out of three right, judging by when I watched it.
"Who didn't have to worry about the Ides of March?" Julius Caesar is the answer.
I believe this was the last one of the three, so it took me that long to work it out and it would have been too late. I like the opposite "Excellent! Well done!" bit at the end (if my memory serves me correctly), but that was all. What a stupid game that one was.
I think Series 4 team 1 death was fair (BUT would have stopped the sword, I guess), but Series 3, team 2 was quite unfair.
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"Who didn't have to worry about the Ides of March?" Julius Caesar is the answer.
The other two are:
"Who was the daughter of Uther Pendragon?"
Pickle hints strongly that he doesn't really want to know who his daughter is, and they work out it should be his son, but then answer 'God' for some reason, instead of (the future King) Arthur.
"What happened to Cinderella's coach at midday?"
It doesn't take much thought to work out or guess that he actually means 'midnight', so the answer he wanted was "It disappeared", rather than the 'it appeared' they gave. I think they got confused and thought they had to reverse their answer as well.
Definitely a touch unfair, but they were looking for something much more devious than necessary, I think. They just needed to think of the opposite sense of one word in each of the questions, and answer normally.
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Yes that was a bit unfair. What the hell are the Aides of March anyway?! And speaking of unfair deaths - so was the death of the Scottish team at the start of series 3.
They were extremely fast and efficient at rolling the dice in the first room, walking on and off the serpents tongue and answering all the riddles and not faffing about when you should say 'I challenge' and 'I command You' - and I reckon theres a conspiracy regarding their death, Gavin wouldn't just step forward like that!
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and I reckon theres a conspiracy regarding their death, Gavin wouldn't just step forward like that!
Well, on the series guide, it mentions Gavin Gillespie signing the guestbook and saying that he died on the serpent's tongue, but was let off because the next team had not yet arrived at the studios.
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