A good Vs Evil topic

Wolfshead

Merlin made sure they were safe.

Also maybe the S3 Level three did not die, instead it could've been cut off from the rest of the Dungeon. When the Dungeon re-aligned itself, it joined Mogdred's new realm.

The same is posssible for Lord Fear, who I don't think was connected with Mogred in any way.

Maybe Merlin and Mogdred were locked in some kind of struggle at the end of S4.

I can't use evidence because there is none, this is purely speculative and I am exploring possibilities.

HStorm

If Merlin could keep Motley and Melly safe, Morghanna could keep herself safe, no worries.

Re: "This is speculation..." well, that's my point. You asked originally whether there was a power struggle between Mogdred and Morghanna, and I answered that there's no sign of one whatsoever. You've responded to that by coming up with scenarios of a conflict between them that might have fitted around what we saw on screen.

I'm not necessarily saying that they're impossible, but I am saying that there's nothing to support them, and that some of them don't quite tally with the facts.

If you're trying to come up with them just because you want to believe there was a feud between Mogdred and Morghanna, well that's up to you, but if there was one I don't believe that Moghanna could have won it or she would still have appeared in season 4.

Wolfshead

How do you account for the appearances of evil Magi in level 3 in S3 and S4.

Could Hordriss have been a pupil of Merlin or Mogdred, or both seeing as he was not alighned until S5 and appeared both good and hostile in S3.

HStorm

The thing about Hordriss was that he was never evil, just violently proud. According to Treguard it was the druids who called him "Hordriss the Confuser", suggesting that he may have been a descendant of the Celtic/early British legacy like Grimaldine (and probably Merlin for that matter).

As for WHY he showed up there, I suspect it's just that sorcerers are naturally drawn to places of great magic, like the Dungeon itself.

Wolfshead

Good answer! Tahnks

I too thought he was probably of Celtic/druidic origin since Treguard mentioned the druids. Where his skills come from though I am still not sure. he seems quite learned maybe he went to Hogwarts joke joke.

Wolfshead

Who could Sidris's mother be?

Greystag, Mallice, Morghana or maybe a moogle, Mellissandre said she was older than she looked.

HStorm

The general speculation on this round here seems to be Greystagg or Maldame, for obvious reasons.

Wolfshead

It's possible that Hordris was evil to begin with becaue his calling name is Maeifact and Mallificia is magic that is used to hurt people. He probaly allied with Tregaurd becuase he was threatend by Lord fear.

Purgatory

I always thought that Mogdred and Morghana were a team.. a couple in fact.

Morghana had nothing else to prove after her performance in s3 so no need for her so be part of s4.

After all Mogdred failed twice in s2 he needed some help.

But the Malice was trying to take Mogdred out.. i believe she said after he winning quest, she needed an item to get back at someone.. or something like that, Be interesting to see her return in season 8 (if it is her)

But this past episode on challenge saw Lord fear talk about the use of spyglass, theses for could point towards Fear being around in the past but never seen (due to no spyglass)

And that 'old Bone face' comment, Fear isn't that old... i guess it was meant to be Mogdred,

Umm..you know Hordiss and Merlin never crossed paths.. But we don't really have any story to push Mogdred out of the game

HStorm

Yes, my suspicion was that Mogdred and Morghanna were allies, although not a couple.

Malice said that she was unable to enter Level Three due to "a temporary misunderstanding with other factions". As you say, this was almost certainly Mogdred. After she got the green gem she was able temporarily to take control of Level Three, which was why Dicken had to confront her, but when he beat her, Mogdred reasserted control.

Purgatory

Now were getting some place. lol

Wolfshead

That made a lot of sense thanks!

Wolfshead

Has Tim Child ever said anything about what would have come after the Stained glass room in series 3?

HStorm

No, but there was an enhanced verson of the old Guillotine chamber from S2 seen on the credits of one episode, so it would probably have been back there again.

Wolfshead

I thought so.

It really was a shame because Leo and Martin came so close, but were unbale to get magic from the Gargoyle or from Owen.

I think Owen should have carried dungeoneres about in S5.

Wolfshead

Here's a good en

Treguard said he was the only person to have conquered the dungeon, so it stands to reason that he should be able to advise them team or tell them about certain characters. How does he know this tuff it his own quest was similar to that of series 1. I know that he did not know everyone and everything though.

Purgatory

um.

just going back on the ideas the Lord fear wasn't around during the 1st 4,

Well He knew very well who the Grimwalds are, sounds as if he has spoken/met them, Hence even getting some assistance of the Young.

Which going back on a post i just made in another topic.. maybe his original idea or a future idea of his was to get Festus??

Wolfshead

I think he was around during series 1-4, but in a different real, though he could probaly seen what was going on in the earlier series through a spyglass or his magic pool.

Wolfshead

Would you call the wall monsters (1-3) opposition or neutral, the same goes for Oakley.

HStorm

Fear MIGHT have been around prior to s5, but his mention of Grimwold during s6 doesn't prove it. After all he might have encountered the Grimwolds after they'd left the dungeon.