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  • HStormH
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    HStorm
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    As I said on page 1 of this thread, Tim Child has made it clear that the books are not definitive, so any evidence you take from them has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Especially remember that they were not wrtten by TC, but by Dave Morris who never worked on the series itself at all and therefore only really had his own ideas about how the KM universe should be developed.

    And as Jen points out above, there are numerous little inconsistencies in the details between the books and the series.

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      Elita
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      Sounds....errr....depressing. Typical Vampire thing about whinging that they are Vampires and brooding about wanting to be human again???

      You are absolutely right sir, well done! Can't bloody stand it myself.

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        Elita
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        Maybe the definition of Vampire has shanged, where does the word come from? That might help explain things?

        The following is brought to you courtesy of dictionary.com, the finest online dictionary you'll find!

        *Vampire

        \Vam"pire, n. [F. vampire (cf. It. vampiro, G. & D. vampir), fr. Servian vampir.] [Written also vampyre.] 1. A blood-sucking ghost; a soul of a dead person superstitiously believed to come from the grave and wander about by night sucking the blood of persons asleep, thus causing their death. This superstition is now prevalent in parts of Eastern Europe, and was especially current in Hungary about the year 1730.*

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          SemtexJack
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          Hell, we've moved away from KM almost completely now. I didn't even notice us leaving.

          I always took Vampires to be night-dwellers. Sunlight kills (unsure about the stake through the hart thing) as does decapitation. They must drink human blood to remain healthy and strong.....like we do with water.

          Some sources refer to this being a fusion of demon and human, therefore retaining two sides, the human form, where it is impossible to tell they are vampire, and the demon form which comes about when they feed.

          So many contradicting sources make a definitive definition almost impossible.

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            Elita
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            Hell, we've moved away from KM almost completely now. I didn't even notice us leaving.

            Oooo, like that's never happened before. 😛 waits for someone to call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance

            Some sources refer to this being a fusion of demon and human, therefore retaining two sides, the human form, where it is impossible to tell they are vampire, and the demon form which comes about when they feed.

            Are you sure you're not thinking of Buffy The Vampire Slayer there?

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              SemtexJack
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              I absolutely hate that programme. Too American. Vampires have no place in America

              They should be kept to European castles where they are free to feed on the villagers!!!!

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                Elita
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                I absolutely hate that programme. Too American. Vampires have no place in America

                Good, that makes two of us!

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                  SemtexJack
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                  If we look at what is taken to be the first Vampire novel,

                  Dracula, then we can see that the Vampire is a deeply passionate and sexual being.

                  It has a large amount of Charisma and seemingly can cast an enticing spell on women. Ah, someone make me a Vampire, I could do with some Charisma

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                    Wolfshead
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                    How old is Mogdred?

                    I think he is probably the sma eage as Merlin?

                    How old are the wall monsters?

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                      Wolfshead
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                      Does anyone have an idea what year Treguard could've been born in?

                      He was young when he lost his castle and that was in the reign of King John and John was defeinatly on the throne when treguard got back Dunshelm. The Sorcerer's Isle was set in 1216 which is the year John's reign ended.

                      I'm gessing he was born in the late 1180s.

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                      • HStormH
                        HStormH
                        HStorm
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                        I reckon Treguard would've been in his 40's in The Sorcerer's Isle. So... maybe 1175.

                        By the way, has anyone else noticed the maths error at the start of the first book? William II ("Rufus") succeeded to the throne on the death of Willliam the Conqueror in 1087. William had Dunshelm built as a border defence against Scots marauders and a diversion to keep Saxons from rebelling against the Normans. It says in the book that "William's plan worked for a century and a half", before Vestan of Brittany stole the castle and murdered Baron Dunshelm.

                        A century and a half later however would have been the year 1237 at the earliest, over 20 years after King John died, and yet John is still supposed to be King when Treguard slew the Gruagach, when he defeated Arawn, when he fought Queen Hel, when he battled Morgana Le Fay...

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                          Wolfshead
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                          Queen Hel, is she in Fortress of Assassins.

                          In Norse mythology Loki had a duaghter called Hel and she was Queen of the Dead.

                          Was it her?

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                            MoanaLiza
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                            Just out of interest I wonder what era Knightmare was supposed to be in. Well particularly about series 1-5. Here http://knightmare.com/club/3-1/p4.htm it says that Treguard is 39. I also woder what era s6-8 was in.

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                              Wolfshead
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                              Mainly in the reigns of King John and Henry III. Interestingly Gwenderlin said she came from the 11th century. Olaf was a Viking and the Viking from was circa 793-circa 1066.

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                                Wolfshead
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                                At the beginning of Can you beat the Challenge Treguard is in Byzantium (Constantinople) where the crusaders were sacking the city. This was in 1204. This means that Dunshelm was probably lost circa 1194 when John was his brother's regent

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                                  HStorm
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                                  Olaf is clearly an anachronism, as the Viking culture he's based on had more or less died out by the middle of the twelfth century. Also, the horned-helmet he wears is a falsity, as to the best of our knowledge Viking helmets never had horns in them. (Horned Vikings are a stereotype handed down to us by the Victorians.)

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                                    Wolfshead
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                                    The horns made them appear demonic.

                                    Anyway Olaf should have had a sword or axe not a plastic club that he had to share with Fatilla and Mr Grimwald.

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                                      Wolfshead
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                                      Too bad Olaf had to go. I was dissapointed not to see Fatilla in series 5.

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                                        Wolfshead
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                                        Who is older Owen or Smirkanauf?

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                                        • HStormH
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                                          HStorm
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                                          Owen. According to the books, Smirkenorff only hatched a couple of centuries before the first season was set, whereas from the way Owen was talking in season 3 it's clear he's at least a millennium old.

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