When Did Knightmare "Jump The Shark" For You?
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Hmmm
I hadn't heard that terminology, but good question all the same.
Lets see.
I don't think Knightmare ever 'Jumped The Shark' per se, however, if you compare series 1-3 which are the classic series, with series 5 & 6, for me there was a bit of a dip in the quality of the programme(Less quest time, too much eye shield) even though the dip is only slight and I still love series 5 & 6.
However Knightmare got very much back on form with series 7 & 8.
Aprogramme like Knightmare is difficult to state a precise 'shark' time as is always changed and evolved with each quest and season, whereas something like the Muppets, Dads Army, Blind Date, Crossroads, Minder and Taggart are/were all long running programmes where not that much changed, and they rarely left the locations in which they were set.
But series 5 & 6 were the 'difficult 2nd or 3rd album' stage of Knightmare for me...
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I know some people are going to hate me for this, but I just couldn't enjoy the show as much from series 4 onwards - mainly because of the Eye Shield. I thought it really lost it when they merely walked around a forest or rendered photos of castle rooms.
Part of the big appeal on the first three series was the fantasy element and that every room was a work of art with great puzzles and adventures along the way. I loved it and it's these first three series I love the most.
But that isn't to say that the rest didn't have its positives. Series 4 introduced my favourite ever room - the Corridor of Blades. Nothing could top that for the hysteria that the instructors usually got worked into trying to get their dungeoneer to move away from those frightening blades!
I think it finished at precisely the right time personally although I think that now we have such advanced home consoles that can use voice-recognition headsets a completely new video game should come out. Can you imagine it - a little dungeoneer and you're verbally telling him/her to 'walk forwards slowly', 'sidestep to your left' and 'spellcasting...'! I'd buy a copy!
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Thanks for the Wikipedia link. Though I can't help pointing out that I 'got there first' - Here is what I had to say about Knightmare and jumping the shark, many moons ago. More thoughts follow.
Discussions of jumping the shark are interesting, because they are so subjective. Indeed, there are many fans of Happy Days who feel that the show had jumped the shark even before the shark-jumping scene. Conversely, a fan who 'got into' Happy Days only shortly before the shark-jumping episode is unlikely to see it as a downturn moment. Knightmare is leading to the same diversity of opinions because we all got into at different stages.
Personally, I enjoyed Knightmare a lot less from Series 7 onwards. That was partly to do with personal developments that altered my perspective somewhat; though both back then and in retrospect, changes to Knightmare made it feel discontinuous to me:
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I found Majida unappealing and irritating. Lissard too;
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Hordriss and Treguard, the longest-running characters, seemed to have lost all trace of the sardonic neutrality that made their characters compelling. And the other longest-running character, Motley, was absent without explanation (until Series 8 );
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The dungeoneer sight magic (e.g. VISION and LOOK spells) seemed gimmicky and superfluous. The price of technological capabilities being demonstrated in this way was that great harm was done to one of Knightmare's core concepts: 'Now your advisors will be your eyes';
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The first death of Series 7, where Treguard eschews a familiar 'ooh nasty' commiseration/valediction in favour of bickering with Majida, is unsettling viewing for me.
I never stopped being a Knightmare fan - I wouldn't be here otherwise - but for me, if Knightmare took a downturn akin to jumping the shark, it was in Series 7. Obviously, this is just my opinion.
It's perhaps ironic that, like Happy Days, Knightmare had its own bizarre shark moment. (Cue a doctored image from Billy... if we're lucky )
Edit: The image came and went.
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It didn't. I only watched from half-way through series six onwards on CITV (I was fourteen months old in September 1987) and it never struck me as any worse on the whole. Now that I've seen them all I'd say the worst series was the fourth, largely because Treguard's lines were, bizarrely, identical for each quest, but that the next was better than any that had gone before, the sixth better still.
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...and it's because of that innovation that my opinions on where KM 'Jumped the shark' tend to be a lot different to many others.
To me, the shark was leaped at the transition between seasons 6 and 7 and it was because of the video sequences and location photos being changed for CGI. hears swords leaving scabbards Now now people! Let me explain why:-
IMHO the change to CGI also signalled the change to technical wizardry over a believable realm.
I actually LIKE the Eye-Shield and 'real-world' locations. Yes, it took up game time and introduced a certain linearity to the rooms but the grittynes and slightly layered look felt like a true evolution of David Rowes painted rooms. They may not have been beautiful and perfectly integrated but on a phsycological level that scruffiness aroused curiousity and made you want get into the story and location of your own freewill and THAT'S where the true immersion can happen.
Compare this to the uber-smooth and plasticky look of the CGI rooms to be found in series 7 & 8 and suddenly everything feels fake and like a themepark. It feels like the program is trying to grab you and pull you in under THEIR wishes and not yours. Because of this, I found it harder to suspend my real-world disbelief and couldn't connect with what was going on like before.
The characters changed in feel in a similar manner. They went from 'join us, if you dare' to something resembling 'you're already here'. The first had me wishing I could actually go on the quest (like many of us probably had!) and travel these fantastical places while the second had me thinking "No I'm not! I'm in the living room! "
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Eye Shield Is A Definite Fall-Point For Me.
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Series 4 & 5 for me were not so good, series 4 particularly as there was little difference between the quests, and the irritating-as-hell weeping doors.
However, Series 4 did have Fatilla (who never failed to amuse me) and of course was the first appearance of the legendary corridor of blades.
I'd say that Series 7 & 8 saw the show as compelling as it was in the early days. So rather than jumping the shark, I'd say it dipped under it for a while!
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Before I add my opinion, I'd like to quote from Wikipedia. There are many definitions of jumping the shark, but the most common is
"They are generally viewed as a desperate and futile attempt to keep a series fresh in the face of a decline in ratings"
To be honest, I don't think this really applies to Knightmare, as the ratings did not seriously decline over the 8 years that it was shown on CITV. I'll agree that the show faltered slightly with regards to the eyeshield, CGI etc, but seriously ask urselves
would the show have survived any longer if these changes hadn't been made? did it really alter the show that much? I don;t think they did. I believe series 3 was a high for the show in terms of action and settings, but it was repetitive, something that the later series' strove to avoid. so a mixed bag all round.
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I've found the current series on Challenge to be better than the previous series. I still think that the Eye Shield was a bad idea but at least it meant that the dungeon could expand a whole lot further.
I love the idea of the Dreadnaught though - out there in the dungeon trying to find them. Gives a sense of urgency and a spice of danger.
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Knightmare, for me, didn't seem to get any worse, or tiring although I felt a bit strange getting used to the sontrast betwen series 5 to 6 (with the music, all them extra characters, dwarf tunnels, etc) but I have to agree with the "too much eyeshield" view.
A little bit here and there was (k)nice, but it seems rooms were cut short and it was straight to that wobbly, slow paced camera scroll between every room.
I now find the 1st couple of series a bit boring now. They have their good points, but I just love the outside locations and woods rather than similar airbrushed rooms one after other. It adds an adventure feel and you're going places.
However, the 1st couple series are classic and I love the retro special effects and the dark and dingy feel.
I didn't like the way all of the outdoor scenes were bright pink (series 5-6)!!!!
There was no need- it made them TOO bright. Pink is associated with feminity and light. What it needed was a bit of clever location lighting to give it a boost- not a "colour balance" on 50% red and 20% blue etc.
All in all, the show was great throughout and it was a big part of my childhood!
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Liked most of Knightmare but not sure about the last 2 series really. Not as scary and exciting as it used to be at that point. But thats just my opinion
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Last two series not as scary?!?!? Are you kidding?!?
Perhaps it's because I was only 9/10 when I first watched them, but there was a definite spookiness about some moments in those series. I mean, who wouldn't be scared by someone getting sliced in the corridor of blades and blood pouring onto the screen?! Personally, I think the later series stand up better, and not just because the haircuts are slightly more modern. Series 3 was a good series, but many of the quests lacked "identity", later quests were more individualised.
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I also think that Knightmare never went awful but I think that the visor spells and potions etc. in Series 7 were a bit annoying. It was the same proccess every time.
First Majida would say 'but they can't see, it's too difficult!'
Secondly the team tell the dungeoneer to take the potion or cast the spell or whatever
And then it shows a visor-view on the screen which sometimes even showed the dungeoneer in it! That can't be what they see if they are in it!
Also, they never even seemed to help because the advisors kept guiding the dungeoneer as usual anyway.
Anyway, isn't it best that the dungeoneer doesn't see?
I think they were just doing this to show off the new helmet!
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Hmm, it never really jumped the shark for me, but I have to say I did find it Majida extremely annoying, which was one of a few things that annoyed me about the later series, just my opinion.....
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