Knightmare Commentary Tracks
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Ah, excellent. Just so happens I'm watching Series 1 at the moment, I'll take a look at these
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Hope you like them!
I've done six more commentary tracks over the last couple of days, all for episodes from season two. They are; -
Episode 3
Episode 5
Episode 7
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 16
The commentaries for 3, 5 & 7 can now be downloaded from the address in the earlier post, and the remaining three should be available later this week. Sorry about the slightly odd colour scheme on the page; something weird about the website software, and I can't quite figure out how to make it behave.
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Three new tracks have been added this evening, including two by new commentators. Offering his thoughts on episode 3 of season 1 is Jake Collins, editor of The Eye Shield fanzine. He and his sister Rosey then team up to analyse episode 3 of season 5. In between times, I cast my eye over episode 1 of season 3.
A reminder of the link if you'd like to hear them...
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Just an update on progress with the commentaries. Thirty-seven episodes now have tracks, which I reckon is good going for two weeks' work - big thanks again to Jake and Rosey for all their excellent help with it - but we still have far more to do ahead than we've already done. Again, if anyone wants to join in, please get in touch!
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A fresh batch of seven fan commentaries are now available, including one from a new duo. Andy Marshall AKA Dark Comet (above) has teamed up with Alistair Payne (sp?) from the Emerald Isle to commentate on episode 2 of season 1. Includes some explicit language.
As ever, you can download the new tracks from http://www.kmramdram.co.uk/tvcommentaries.htm
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Five new commentary tracks by Jake Collins have just been made available (he actually recorded them over a week ago but this was the first chance I had to get them converted and uploaded - sorry for the delay, Jake!) and we now have tracks in place for all episodes in seasons 1 and 3.
http://www.kmramdram.co.uk/tvcommentaries.htm
More will follow soon.
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I have to say I'm really enjoying these commenatries! I'm currently listening to Jake Collins' one for Series 4, Episode 13. I'm from Cornwall, so from the same ITV region (TSW) as Dicken's team were, as they were from Torquay in Devon. Also a winning team too!...
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Thank you for enjoying my/our commentaries, they're great fun to do.
Hi Eyeshield, yeah the commentaries are great, as it's always interesting to hear various different fans' comments on each episode or series of ''Knightmare''. You seem to like Series 4, whereas the other commentary person, Martin Odoni doesn't seem too keen on it. I myself did enjoy Series 4, despite the various changes introduced (such as The Eye Shield & Pickle etc). I think Series 3 is probably my favourite series overall though, as it was the first series I started to watch on a regular basis each week. However, I'm not too keen on Series 5 & 6 though, simply due to the fact that Elita is in them and she is my least favourite character ever, she is just awful, downright rude & bad-behaved! But, it's so funny in that episode (I forget which one) when the dungeoneer answers her back! Anyway, keep up the commentaries asthey are really good!...
One thing is when you do them, are you watching/using the episodes from the original CITV broadcasts or the Challenge repeats?
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This is the last thing I'll post about commentaries in this thread, but I'll just answer those couple of questions. I've been using Knightmare episodes recorded off Challenge, and I know Martin (HStorm) has too. Challenge did cut a few lines when inserting their ad breaks, so if you listen to these commentaries while watching episodes from CITV, the commentary may be out by a few seconds, but probably not so as you'd notice. Having said that, you mentioned Episode 13 of Series 4 and they did cut a noticeable chunk of that ("now that the excitement's over, Master..." etc) so if you had an issue with time there, Challenge is the one to blame.
Sofia is the dungeoneer who answers back to Elita and if you want to hear me and Rosey talking about that, listen to our current Series 6 commentaries, which cover that quest in its entirety.
I don't know who has Moderator status for this board nowadays, but if anyone does and they see this, they might consider moving this little commentary-related discussion to the "Fan Creations" board, where there is a thread discussing the commentaries.
I might just add (and this is relevant to this topic) that even though some fans have been able to make commentaries by watching episodes recorded off the telly, in no way would this stop us (I'm sure HStorm would agree with me here) buying official DVDs, without cut lines and glib comments over the music and other such annoying things. Thank you, Challenge, for buying and airing Knightmare, but boy did you fiddle with it!
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Hi again Eyeshield & thanks for the reply and answering some of my questions about the commentaries. Apologies to everyone for going slightly off-topic for a bit there, but actually your answer about the few Challenge problems have made me realise how great it would be to have proper 'official' DVD's done straight from the original master tapes, with the episodes in full & unedited etc. Still, it was great that Challenge did show all 8 series of the show & aside from a few minor quibbles here & there, they did a pretty good job with it, even making that short 5-min featurette with both Tim Child & Hugo Myatt in it, shame it wasn't longer though!
Anyway, let's get back on-topic & I hope there's some news about the DVD campaign in the new year!...
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I'm glad the forum moderator has now moved my comments about the fan commentaries to the proper area etc. Anyway, so far I have really been enjoying all the commentaries by Martin Odoni & Jake/Rosey Collins. But, I'm particularly looking forward to hearing the Series 5 - Episode 1 one, as for me personally this is when I started to lose interest in the show a little. I love the first 3 series & even series 4 whilst it has it's share of problems (such as the Eye-Shield etc), it's not too bad & I usually find myself enjoying it when I watch an episode - but don't get me started about Giles' team quest etc! But, from Series 5 onwards, the show seems to be focused quite a lot on Lord Fear, who seems to quickly take over the show, as for example he goes onto do the pre-credits opening sequences in Series 6 - 8, whereas Treguard had always done them from Series 3 - 5 (there weren't any in Series 1/2 btw). Also, it just feels like once he was introduced into the show, Lord Fear suddenly becomes the 'star' from then on & it's not Treguard anymore. Also, I don't like Series 5 for introducing the appalling character Elita, who is just so awful & sometimes I don't know if she's acting or just being rude for the sake of it! Anyway, enough of my ramblings!...
So, I do look forward to hearing the commentary for Series 5 - Episode 1 whenever it will be available. Merry Christmas to everyone on here btw!...
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Thanks for the feedback, DJF. As luck would have it, I did a commentary track for S5E1 only last night, and it will be uploaded as soon as I can get to a PC that has the right software for filtering and uploading (I'm presently away from home for the Xmas break). I should make clear though that it'll probably be the last commentary I do. It seems that very few people are listening to the tracks, so I don't see much point in carrying on with them - although if others wish to make more of them, I will continue to 'publish' them of course.
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Hi HStorm, thanks for your reply. I am sad to hear that the commentaries haven't proved very popular, as I've listened to 10 now & have really enjoyed them all. I like the ones you have done so far & also the Jake ''Eyeshield'' Collins ones are good too, as too are the ones he does with Rosey - he she his sister btw? It will be a shame if you don't do anymore, but between you & Jake, there aren't that many episodes left to do now anyway though.
I've noticed in your commentaries so far that you're not a big fan of Series 4 & although I do quite like this series, I do find myself agreeing with some of your points about it so far. It is very repetitive & also the other new things they introduced in this series (such as Pickle, the Eye Shield & new theme music etc) have all divided many fans opinions over the years, so it was interesting to hear your views, especially with the possibly rejected new opening titles, which are used as the end credits in several episodes. It never occured to me that's what they were, as I just though that's a weird thing to use during the end credits, but now listening to your commentaries, I now realise what they could have been. I am glad they weren't used though!...
My own thoughts on Series 4, is that I wonder if Tim Child had more control over the show from then on, as if you look at the credits of each episode, he is now the last name in them, whereas in Series 1 - 3 it was the Director, Sally Freeman instead. She is also no longer the Director of the show, as she is replaced by Jimmy McKinney. Also, Susan Child (who I read is actually Tim's sister, although for many years just assumed it was his wife!) is a new addition to the show, as production co-ordinator or whatever it was. So perhaps Tim was given more power & freedom with the show to make whatever changes he wanted for Series 4 & so he did, hence the many changes we saw introduced in this series & from then on with each subsequent series. Still, I much prefer Series 4 to Series 5, as I am not keen on that series, as I don't like Elita at all & also not keen on Gwendoline either. Anyway, I shall look forward to your S5E1 commentary when it's available, to hear your views on the opening episode of this series, which includes the first ever apperance of Lord Fear of course!
Anyway, ''Merry Christmas'' to you, HStorm & everyone else on the forum btw! Hope you all have a good one...
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And Merry Xmas to you too!
Regarding Tim Child having greater power over the show from S4, I don't think he did. If anything, his hand was probably forced a lot more due to the pressure controllers at CITV were putting on him to up the speed of the game. They were very unhappy about how slow Knightmare had been in its first couple of seasons and wanted the teams to be made to hurry up more, which is the reason for introducing elements like the Eye-Shield i.e. by taking more of the decisions out of the hands of the advisors. The problem was that, at least in season 4, the Eye-Shield sequences were so long, and were so slow themselves - the guy carrying the camera obviously didn't want to move fast for fear of making the picture bob up and down all the time - that if anything the game became even slower! TES sequences became mercifully shorter in later years, but yes, I'm afraid for this and other reasons, I regard season 4 as fairly dire, especially the closing episode, which I regard as an all-time nadir of the series. (Any fans of that episode, be very glad that Jake did the commentary on it instead of me!)
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(Any fans of that episode, be very glad that Jake did the commentary on it instead of me!)
Having just sat through series 4 and contemplating doing a few more commentaries, I consider it a good thing Jake got to the final ep before me. I fear that I would have lacked restraint in passing judgement, possibly in a manner similar to this fellow.
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