Knightmare Commentary Tracks
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Thank you for enjoying my/our commentaries, they're great fun to do.
Hi Eyeshield, yeah the commentaries are great, as it's always interesting to hear various different fans' comments on each episode or series of ''Knightmare''. You seem to like Series 4, whereas the other commentary person, Martin Odoni doesn't seem too keen on it. I myself did enjoy Series 4, despite the various changes introduced (such as The Eye Shield & Pickle etc). I think Series 3 is probably my favourite series overall though, as it was the first series I started to watch on a regular basis each week. However, I'm not too keen on Series 5 & 6 though, simply due to the fact that Elita is in them and she is my least favourite character ever, she is just awful, downright rude & bad-behaved! But, it's so funny in that episode (I forget which one) when the dungeoneer answers her back! Anyway, keep up the commentaries asthey are really good!...
One thing is when you do them, are you watching/using the episodes from the original CITV broadcasts or the Challenge repeats?
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This is the last thing I'll post about commentaries in this thread, but I'll just answer those couple of questions. I've been using Knightmare episodes recorded off Challenge, and I know Martin (HStorm) has too. Challenge did cut a few lines when inserting their ad breaks, so if you listen to these commentaries while watching episodes from CITV, the commentary may be out by a few seconds, but probably not so as you'd notice. Having said that, you mentioned Episode 13 of Series 4 and they did cut a noticeable chunk of that ("now that the excitement's over, Master..." etc) so if you had an issue with time there, Challenge is the one to blame.
Sofia is the dungeoneer who answers back to Elita and if you want to hear me and Rosey talking about that, listen to our current Series 6 commentaries, which cover that quest in its entirety.
I don't know who has Moderator status for this board nowadays, but if anyone does and they see this, they might consider moving this little commentary-related discussion to the "Fan Creations" board, where there is a thread discussing the commentaries.
I might just add (and this is relevant to this topic) that even though some fans have been able to make commentaries by watching episodes recorded off the telly, in no way would this stop us (I'm sure HStorm would agree with me here) buying official DVDs, without cut lines and glib comments over the music and other such annoying things. Thank you, Challenge, for buying and airing Knightmare, but boy did you fiddle with it!
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Hi again Eyeshield & thanks for the reply and answering some of my questions about the commentaries. Apologies to everyone for going slightly off-topic for a bit there, but actually your answer about the few Challenge problems have made me realise how great it would be to have proper 'official' DVD's done straight from the original master tapes, with the episodes in full & unedited etc. Still, it was great that Challenge did show all 8 series of the show & aside from a few minor quibbles here & there, they did a pretty good job with it, even making that short 5-min featurette with both Tim Child & Hugo Myatt in it, shame it wasn't longer though!
Anyway, let's get back on-topic & I hope there's some news about the DVD campaign in the new year!...
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I'm glad the forum moderator has now moved my comments about the fan commentaries to the proper area etc. Anyway, so far I have really been enjoying all the commentaries by Martin Odoni & Jake/Rosey Collins. But, I'm particularly looking forward to hearing the Series 5 - Episode 1 one, as for me personally this is when I started to lose interest in the show a little. I love the first 3 series & even series 4 whilst it has it's share of problems (such as the Eye-Shield etc), it's not too bad & I usually find myself enjoying it when I watch an episode - but don't get me started about Giles' team quest etc! But, from Series 5 onwards, the show seems to be focused quite a lot on Lord Fear, who seems to quickly take over the show, as for example he goes onto do the pre-credits opening sequences in Series 6 - 8, whereas Treguard had always done them from Series 3 - 5 (there weren't any in Series 1/2 btw). Also, it just feels like once he was introduced into the show, Lord Fear suddenly becomes the 'star' from then on & it's not Treguard anymore. Also, I don't like Series 5 for introducing the appalling character Elita, who is just so awful & sometimes I don't know if she's acting or just being rude for the sake of it! Anyway, enough of my ramblings!...
So, I do look forward to hearing the commentary for Series 5 - Episode 1 whenever it will be available. Merry Christmas to everyone on here btw!...
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Thanks for the feedback, DJF. As luck would have it, I did a commentary track for S5E1 only last night, and it will be uploaded as soon as I can get to a PC that has the right software for filtering and uploading (I'm presently away from home for the Xmas break). I should make clear though that it'll probably be the last commentary I do. It seems that very few people are listening to the tracks, so I don't see much point in carrying on with them - although if others wish to make more of them, I will continue to 'publish' them of course.
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Hi HStorm, thanks for your reply. I am sad to hear that the commentaries haven't proved very popular, as I've listened to 10 now & have really enjoyed them all. I like the ones you have done so far & also the Jake ''Eyeshield'' Collins ones are good too, as too are the ones he does with Rosey - he she his sister btw? It will be a shame if you don't do anymore, but between you & Jake, there aren't that many episodes left to do now anyway though.
I've noticed in your commentaries so far that you're not a big fan of Series 4 & although I do quite like this series, I do find myself agreeing with some of your points about it so far. It is very repetitive & also the other new things they introduced in this series (such as Pickle, the Eye Shield & new theme music etc) have all divided many fans opinions over the years, so it was interesting to hear your views, especially with the possibly rejected new opening titles, which are used as the end credits in several episodes. It never occured to me that's what they were, as I just though that's a weird thing to use during the end credits, but now listening to your commentaries, I now realise what they could have been. I am glad they weren't used though!...
My own thoughts on Series 4, is that I wonder if Tim Child had more control over the show from then on, as if you look at the credits of each episode, he is now the last name in them, whereas in Series 1 - 3 it was the Director, Sally Freeman instead. She is also no longer the Director of the show, as she is replaced by Jimmy McKinney. Also, Susan Child (who I read is actually Tim's sister, although for many years just assumed it was his wife!) is a new addition to the show, as production co-ordinator or whatever it was. So perhaps Tim was given more power & freedom with the show to make whatever changes he wanted for Series 4 & so he did, hence the many changes we saw introduced in this series & from then on with each subsequent series. Still, I much prefer Series 4 to Series 5, as I am not keen on that series, as I don't like Elita at all & also not keen on Gwendoline either. Anyway, I shall look forward to your S5E1 commentary when it's available, to hear your views on the opening episode of this series, which includes the first ever apperance of Lord Fear of course!
Anyway, ''Merry Christmas'' to you, HStorm & everyone else on the forum btw! Hope you all have a good one...
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And Merry Xmas to you too!
Regarding Tim Child having greater power over the show from S4, I don't think he did. If anything, his hand was probably forced a lot more due to the pressure controllers at CITV were putting on him to up the speed of the game. They were very unhappy about how slow Knightmare had been in its first couple of seasons and wanted the teams to be made to hurry up more, which is the reason for introducing elements like the Eye-Shield i.e. by taking more of the decisions out of the hands of the advisors. The problem was that, at least in season 4, the Eye-Shield sequences were so long, and were so slow themselves - the guy carrying the camera obviously didn't want to move fast for fear of making the picture bob up and down all the time - that if anything the game became even slower! TES sequences became mercifully shorter in later years, but yes, I'm afraid for this and other reasons, I regard season 4 as fairly dire, especially the closing episode, which I regard as an all-time nadir of the series. (Any fans of that episode, be very glad that Jake did the commentary on it instead of me!)
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(Any fans of that episode, be very glad that Jake did the commentary on it instead of me!)
Having just sat through series 4 and contemplating doing a few more commentaries, I consider it a good thing Jake got to the final ep before me. I fear that I would have lacked restraint in passing judgement, possibly in a manner similar to this fellow.
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That track for season 5 episode 1 that I mentioned above is now available.
Another excellent commentary there HStorm, shame that you don't plan to do anymore as I've been enjoying your commentaries so far. Had to laugh when you said that the actress Natalie J. Robb looks a bit like a female version of Treguard/Hugo Myatt, as I remember her from her days in both ''Doctors'' & ''The Bill'' and often thought the same! If Treguard had ever of had a sex change (like what Holly did in ''Red Dwarf'') between seasons then she would've been perfect to have played the female version! ''Knightmare'' did have some nice-looking actresses over the years though, but the best looking actress IMHO was Joanne Heywood, who I am sure you know played Stiletta in Series 8. I've seen her in some adverts recently on TV, for some butter or something similar. Natahsa Pope, Audrey Jenkinson & Jackie Sawiris were all alright too. Jacqueline Joyce was quite nice too, especially when she played Marta in that low-cut dress! Anyway, back to the topic!...
So, yeah I've been enjoying all the commentaries so far, from yourself & also Jake Collins and his sister Rosey. Maybe one reason they've not been too popular is that nobody knows about them, as I didn't until about a week ago! Perhaps if there could be a little notice put on the website's main page (with a link etc) then more people would find out about them & download them etc.
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Glad you've been enjoying them DJ, I'm finding them fascinating to listen to as well.
From what I gather, there's an overhaul of the site in the works that will feature more regular news updating. It's being handled by Mysteria, who's responsible for the Aegis Quest website, so I predict awesomeness. In the meantime though, if you're on Twitter then you can get news of the most recent commentaries by following KnightmareAP. Giving us a RT every now and then will certainly help spread the love.
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If Treguard had ever of had a sex change (like what Holly did in ''Red Dwarf'') between seasons then she would've been perfect to have played the female version!
I have often thought that a female Dungeon Master (Dungeon Mistress?) would be interesting. Dunno if NJR would be that good a choice though, as, for all the similar facial features she has to Hugo, she just doesn't strike me as weird or sinister enough. Although I've never seen her try to play a character that way, so I could well be wrong. Either way, an Anglo-Saxon Dungeon Master with a tough, Govan city-girl accent does sound a little incongruous to me.
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Glad you've been enjoying them DJ, I'm finding them fascinating to listen to as well.
From what I gather, there's an overhaul of the site in the works that will feature more regular news updating. It's being handled by Mysteria, who's responsible for the Aegis Quest website, so I predict awesomeness. In the meantime though, if you're on Twitter then you can get news of the most recent commentaries by following KnightmareAP. Giving us a RT every now and then will certainly help spread the love.
I have to agree with you Dark Comet, in that I have found the commentaries very interesting & enjoyable so far. For example, I was listening to Martin Odoni (a.k.a HStorm)'s S5 E1 one last night & was surprised when he was saying about how Smirkenoff's head wasn't actually part of the puppet-thing that the dungeoneer sat in and was all done seperately on blue-screen etc. I guess that's how they were able to do those close-up head shots then. Also, on one of the S3 ones, Jake ''EyeShield'' Collins made me chuckle when he was wondering who had been teaching that raven thing to talk, due to the rather strange things that he says, such as ''Hello, Sailor!'' & ''Who's a pretty boy then?'' etc. Maybe it was Dale Winton or Christopher Biggins! Lol Jake is good on on his own, but I also like the ones with his sister Rosey, as they are quite amusing at times. Martin, Jake & Rosey are all big fans of the show & it's interesting to hear their thoughts and opinions on various things, so long may these commentaries continue!...
Great news about Mysteria giving the site an updating, as it does need it in some places, as some of the video clips could now be replaced with better quality ones for example. Still, Nicholas Lam did do a great job with this site originally though, as it was one of the first websites I ever visited when I first got the 'net back in 1999!...
If Treguard had ever of had a sex change (like what Holly did in ''Red Dwarf'') between seasons then she would've been perfect to have played the female version!
I have often thought that a female Dungeon Master (Dungeon Mistress?) would be interesting. Dunno if NJR would be that good a choice though, as, for all the similar facial features she has to Hugo, she just doesn't strike me as weird or sinister enough. Although I've never seen her try to play a character that way, so I could well be wrong. Either way, an Anglo-Saxon Dungeon Master with a tough, Govan city-girl accent does sound a little incongruous to me.
I guess they could always do a 'Darth Vader' & have NJR playing the female dungeon master, but get someone else with a more powerful & scary voice to dub-over the dialogue, like what James Earl Jones did to Dave Prowse in the ''Star Wars'' films etc. Maybe NJR would be a bad choice, but who could be a good female dungeon master then? I can't think of any suitable actress at the moment...
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The final commentaries recorded in 2009 have just been uploaded to kick off the New Year - Jake and Rosey take us through episodes 9 & 10 of season 5. You can download them from the usual site, http://www.kmramdram.co.uk/tvcommentaries.htm .
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That track for season 5 episode 1 that I mentioned above is now available.
Good news, I'll download & listen to it later. It's a shame that you don't plan to do anymore commentaries, as I would like to hear a Series 7 & 8 one, as you haven't done one yet & I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the final 2 series.
The final commentaries recorded in 2009 have just been uploaded to kick off the New Year - Jake and Rosey take us through episodes 9 & 10 of season 5. You can download them from the usual site, http://www.kmramdram.co.uk/tvcommentaries.htm .
Excellent news! I always enjoy Jake Collins' commentarties - either by himself or with his sister Rosey. I have to agree with most of his comments about Series 7 & 8 though, especially the final episode of Series 8!...
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Evenin' all.
Four new commentaries are now available for download from http://www.kmramdram.co.uk/tvcommentaries.htm. Jake will be taking a break from commentating for a little while, but he's rounded off his current stint at the mic with two fresh tracks, for the first two episodes of season six. (Don't worry, Jake'll be back in action soon, he just he thought he should let a couple of others take a turn, on the subject of which...)
Meanwhile, one of the 'old heads' of the Audio Play team makes his debut at the mic as Ricky Temple shares his thoughts on episodes 5 and 6 of season 4.
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