knightmare on youtube
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It is very sad, after having had them there for so long!
Like Canandanne, I'll really miss the comments, it was great fun reading them along with watching.
Can we now hold out the vain hope that someone, somewhere, is going to give us a proper DVD release, if they're interested in copyright? (crosses fingers for a DVD with commentaries from Tim and Hugo)
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Yes I loved reading the comments and it's sad to see them being taken off. I do feel someone will try to upload them again though!
Well if there is any possibility for a future dvd release of Knightmare, it should be now. Considering the viewing figures, I believe it would sell!
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I'm so relieved I decided to watch all eight series (and my favourite bits in series 4-6 and in series 7) more than once before this happened, but it's such a disappointment. There seem to be odd bits still available but I'm not holding my breath that they'll survive for much longer. I'll miss the comments too - both reading and writing them.
I wondered if perhaps Sky might make a YouTube channel for them as Channel 4 etc. have done with various other programmes e.g. Whose Line is it Anyway?. We'd have to put up with adverts in the middle but it'd be better than nothing. However, as has already been mentioned, if making money is the object a DVD release is the only way.
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Sky won't have the rights to do so.
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I wasnt too sure whether to make a new topic about this, but since you guys are mentioning it, I will quickly bring this up here....
Has the recent reemergence of Knight are promoted Google/YouTube to block all I nightmare clips? The reason I ask is because one channel in particular who shall remain nameless, had every single Knightmare episode on it in decent quality too. They have been on there for over a year and I've researched them quite a number of times in the past 12 months. Just the other night after I watched the new YouTube episode I went back to where I left off, season 6 episode 3 and it was working.
But tonight, they will not play on my laptop or tablet, and its now saying "unavailable in your country". I know I am in Australia but these were working fine less than 48 hours ago, plus all of the other shows the channel has are as fine as they always were.
I know of the legal issues etc, but there is no other way of us accessing Knight are, and I was hoping no one would lose sleep over a kids TV show from 20 years ago would be just left to its own vices.
But has the new episode brought attention to the series, resulting in all YouTube footage being blocked? I have sent the channel host a message to ask also.
If they are gone, I will be sad to say the least.
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Hello there everyone,
First time poster and happy to be among fellow Knightmare fans.
I do noticed the removal of all the decent mare vids from Youtube. This is exactly the sort of thing that pushes people into the domain of so called illegal download sites.
I have no issue with companies wanting to keep ownership of their copyrights. However, they don't seem to grasp that acting in this way is counter productive and alienates the very audience they are seeking to capture. There is obviously a demand for people wanting to watch Knightmare and I would wager a rather keen hardcore fanbase at that. Why do they not make available every episode on a dedicated Youtube channel (advert laden obviously) and make a bit of money whilst they are at it. Better yet, offer them perhaps for a small nominal fee, which I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind paying if the price was right. Sadly it seems they are content to push us into watching the show on a channel full of adverts every 10 minutes where only a fraction of the episodes will be available.
This reminds me alot of a similar thing a few years back where a friend of mine got so sick and tired of trying to find old Hey Arnold episodes, he tracked down every last one and placed them in a place for people to watch only to have Nickelodeon demand he take them down for copyright reasons citing lost revenue. Well suffice to say, I never saw a single episode of Hey Arnold made available on TV or DVD for a number of years after.
When will these companies realise that people want to see this stuff, there is money to be made and people will pay for it if the price is fair.
Sadly the outdated business model will continue in much the same way.
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Welcome to the forum! And yeah... I can understand YouTube videos being pulled when they're officially available elsewhere (indeed, it makes sense to remove the Series 1 & 2 episodes now that Challenge are showing them), but since there is NO other way of watching Series 3 onwards, it really sucks to see them taken down. Your idea of an official YouTube channel is a good one, if they're determined not to release a DVD set.
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I'm quite annoyed because, as you said above, they are not officially availible and it was the only way to watch them. I should have download them from youtube because I knew they would be removed eventually, but I never did.
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The problem, as I understand it, is that as long as the episodes are available elsewhere, other people are reluctant to buy the rights.
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Well, we tried that path, but there wasn't enough interest and therefore no way to make back the money it would cost.
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Unfortunately, now that Challenge have bought the rights it is too late. We'll likely need to wait another 5 years now.
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My perspective on the episode uploads on YouTube was always 'enjoy it while it lasts'. I'd never have guessed that their eventual removal would be prompted by an official new Knightmare episode from YouTube itself! Legal or not, their removal is a loss to the fandom (especially since the comments have yielded behind the scenes nuggets not found elsewhere) and will quite possibly lead to an increase in pirate DVD sales.
I still feel that in an ideal world, Knightmare belongs on TV. So I hope that Challenge will try to get the rights to show Series 3-8.
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My perspective on the episode uploads on YouTube was always 'enjoy it while it lasts'. I'd never have guessed that their eventual removal would be prompted by an official new Knightmare episode from YouTube itself! Legal or not, their removal is a loss to the fandom (especially since the comments have yielded behind the scenes nuggets not found elsewhere) and will quite possibly lead to an increase in pirate DVD sales.
I still feel that in an ideal world, Knightmare belongs on TV. So I hope that Challenge will try to get the rights to show Series 3-8.
The problem with YouTube is it's a double-edged sword. There's no point bringing up legalities here, but while the point you raised concerning the possible increased trade in illegal DVDs is a valid one, but the YouTube episodes have (at least in my experience of the site) potentially made the whole situation far worse.
YouTube is supposed to be a secure video publishing/viewing site. In practice its security is full of holes. Pretty much the whole internet knows this - if a video has been on the site chances are at least somebody has physically downloaded it as well. If the video is an entire episode of a TV program, a music video or a movie people are far quicker to download the file because they hope to do so before the video is pulled for copyright reasons.
When you have the entire history of Knightmare available for a long period in a format which any Joe Public with a basic computer and internet access can download locally, in an unencrypted format, free from DRM, under their full control - you have a major problem. There's no way of knowing who has the files, how many copies are out there or what people could be planning to do with them. Whatever the situation might have been with the illegal DVD sales a while back, the damage could spread much further much faster now. We can only hope this doesn't come to pass.
I do agree in principal that it would serve the greater good for those classic episodes to be viewable somewhere someplace. The only real caveat is that it should be somewhere that's much more invested in security and certain precautions are in place.
I wonder if Tim has ever considered the possibility of making episodes available electronically through services such as ITunes? Services like that are reasonably secure, the files are digitally signed (and can only be played on the devices to which they are downloaded, meaning they can't be resold or passed around), and I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying a small fee. This sort of thing has got to be far safer than an admittedly risky DVD venture in any case.
If people can obtain episodes relatively inexpensively, that would surely drive away the pirate market since people would have legal channels to use and be taking far less risk with their purchases.
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