Knightmare urban myths
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No advisors, after being asked "Where am I?" simply ever answered with just "You're in a room" did they? They always elaborated, but seeing how much the four-word phrase gets quoted you'd think they didn't.
"Dickon's got the horn, master!" seems to be very famous for something that never ended up in the finished episode, too (it originates from a 2002 David Learner interview and presumably got cut before transmission).
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No advisors, after being asked "Where am I?" simply ever answered with just "You're in a room" did they? They always elaborated, but seeing how much the four-word phrase gets quoted you'd think they didn't.
I think it's just funny how often that's the first thing they say, even when the dungeoneer's surroundings cannot by any stretch of the imagination be described as a room!
"Dickon's got the horn, master!" seems to be very famous for something that never ended up in the finished episode, too (it originates from a 2002 David Learner interview and presumably got cut before transmission).
Though happily they did leave in the bit where Dickon offers to give Fatilla the horn, and the priceless reaction on Michael Cule's face.
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OOH OOH OOH! I just remembered one!
SHOVEL WITH A P!!!
This was from SpoonyOne's review, where he says one of his favourite spellcasting mistakes was when the advisor spelt SHOVEL with a P. You have no idea how many hours I spent trying to find that death before I thought, "...hang on? Is he talking about the SPADE muckup?"
I'm pretty sure I believed him because he said right afterwards there was another team even dumber than that which turned out to be Neil's team in season 2 with the SHROUD spell. But it looks like he's actually talking about the same team. sigh I just believe everything I hear, don't I?
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It's becoming clear that this needs to be on the list!
MYTH: Daisy can be heard to use the F-word in the 2013 Geek Week episode.
TRUTH: Despite what most people think they hear at first, she actually said "What the heck is it?", which is clear if you listen through a decent set of headphones and watch her lips carefully. The actress Isy Suttie also confirmed on Twitter that she said "heck", the day the episode was uploaded.
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It's becoming clear that this needs to be on the list!
MYTH: Daisy can be heard to use the F-word in the 2013 Geek Week episode.
TRUTH: Despite what most people think they hear at first, she actually said "What the heck is it?", which is clear if you listen through a decent set of headphones and watch her lips carefully. The actress Isy Suttie also confirmed on Twitter that she said "heck", the day the episode was uploaded.
Ha. It's a good Myth though!
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OOH OOH OOH! I just remembered one!
SHOVEL WITH A P!!!
This was from SpoonyOne's review, where he says one of his favourite spellcasting mistakes was when the advisor spelt SHOVEL with a P. You have no idea how many hours I spent trying to find that death before I thought, "...hang on? Is he talking about the SPADE muckup?"
I'm pretty sure I believed him because he said right afterwards there was another team even dumber than that which turned out to be Neil's team in season 2 with the SHROUD spell. But it looks like he's actually talking about the same team. sigh I just believe everything I hear, don't I?
It's the same team who did both mistakes!
This team's quest begins on Friday's episode on Challenge (following team Akash of Legend), and the foul-ups start on the following week's episode
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The page also seems to think this is a different team: "A tram (sic) got to Level 3 but were so badly organized that when they reached the Causeway, none of them could take control and the poor dungeoneer just waited to die." Surely this is also Sophia's team?
That sounds like it could be Alan's team from the same series, who died in exactly the manner described just as they arrived in Level 3.
(LOL at "A tram got to Level 3"!)
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MYTH: The 'Dark Knight' in Children's BBC's 'Incredible Games' was played by Mark Knight.
Heard this at the convention - apologies if the person who said it is reading this! It was a guy called Simon Shelton, who according to Wikipedia later played Tinky Winky from the Teletubbies of all things. I assumed at first that wasn't true and it's someone having a laugh, but enough outside evidence seems to back it up.
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I am curious as to what this guy was thinking of, as it clearly wasn't Knightmare! ("Did anyone ever see the new KnightMare quite a few years back ... There were a few episodes on a GameShow channel that just had adults on it." Apparently not a reference to the Geek Week episode, which he didn't know about, and which was only a one-off and not shown on TV. It can't have been the TimeGate trailer either.)
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I just tweeted the guy, asking if he was possibly thinking of another show, I'm waiting on a responce
Another personal myth of mine, and linking to a friend who believed this too, was that Hordriss betrayed Treguard in series 6 and helped him to release the Red Dragon. Before I rediscovered Knightmare, I always remembered one of my favourite moments to be when Treguard defeats the dragon, but my memory must have been mixed up because I always remembered Hordriss talking to Lord Fear in the pool right before the dragon was released. And my friend initially thought that Hordriss was all bad so she ended up assuming she was in league with Lord Fear too.
Obviously my memory got muddled and I somehow replaced the moment where Hordriss warns Treguard with the moment when Hordriss is demanding Lord Fear to release Sidriss. But hey, I was just a kid, my memories got mixed up a lot back then XD
UPDATE: I just got a reply: "I could've sworn there was an episode where they got guys from an old episode, who are now in their mid 30s on it." Does anyone have any idea about what he's referring to?
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I liked early Hordriss when ie was neither good or bad, he kinda became a good guy to replace Merlin.
Gameshow channel is probably challenge and the only thing i can think off could be Fort Boyard.. but that has more in common with Crystal Maze. Unless he saw some classic Crystal Maze they did have a KM style game one year.
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Myth: There was a US version of Knightmare called Helmet Castle Kids.
Origin: The Wikipedia entry on Knightmare. It specifies that Helmet Castle Kids ran from 20 September 1988 to 8 March 1990. This is replicated in other wikis.
Reality: Over to Tim Child.
The 1992 US Pilot - Lords of the Game
In 1993 we kept all the staff and cast on for two days at the end of series production and made a 30 minute pilot for the US market, entitled Lords of the Game.
All the cast were used except Hugo who was replaced by an American actor. Players were provided by the US Air base at Mildenhall in Suffolk.
The pilot was not successful, US production companies being terrified of Cromakey-based shows, because of the technical complexity.
Was it made in 1992 or 1993? From watching it at the Knightmare Convention we know it was 1992: it used characters and scenarios from Knightmare Series 6.
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Thanks for bringing that to my attention - while Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia for all, I feel quite protective about the Knightmare article as it was me who turned it from a small "stub" article to the bigger one you see today in May of 2005. With assistance from Brollachan (photos) and Drassil (copyediting/factual corrections) of this forum, as well as Tim Child himself who helped me via email!
The reference to 'Helmet Castle Kids' was added to the article on January 24th 2020, by a user's only edit to the website. I'm fairly sure the show doesn't exist at all and it's just someone having a laugh, so as of today I've reverted their edit and removed the reference.
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"I could've sworn there was an episode where they got guys from an old episode, who are now in their mid 30s on it." Does anyone have any idea about what he's referring to?
Maybe he's confusing memories of one of the promo clips for Timegate?
MYTH: The final quest in season 8, Team 7, was just eight minutes long, the shortest of all time.
REALITY: Poor ol' Aqash's team (S02 T06) had the shortest quest of all time at just shy of ten minutes. (And given the strong rumours of a fix to get them past the clue room, they were lucky to last that long.) The quest time for S08 T07 - Oliver's team - appears to have been miscounted originally back in the days of 'knightmare.clara.net' around 2000, as a re-check a few years later found that their adventure instead lasted about thirteen minutes before end-of-season intervened.
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MYTH: The final quest in season 8, Team 7, was just eight minutes long, the shortest of all time.
REALITY: Poor ol' Aqash's team (S02 T06) had the shortest quest of all time at just shy of ten minutes. (And given the strong rumours of a fix to get them past the clue room, they were lucky to last that long.) The quest time for S08 T07 - Oliver's team - appears to have been miscounted originally back in the days of 'knightmare.clara.net' around 2000, as a re-check a few years later found that their adventure instead lasted about thirteen minutes before end-of-season intervened.
I assumed that Akash et al had the shortest quest ever (altho it woz amazing how much entertainment they crammed into such a short time ) but according to this website, S2 T1 had the shortest quest ever.
S2 T1 were not a bad team, just a little unlucky, scoring 2/3 in the clue room and guessing wrongly on a 50/50 clue object choice, like several other early teams.
(S1 T1,2,5 and S3 T1 were also close contenders for shortest quest ever.)
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Okay, I've checked the two quests, and you're correct, although there's only half a minute in it. Curiously, were it not for a mistake Aqash's team were halfway through making before correcting, it would probably have been the other way.
Measuring from the instant the dungeoneer steps through the dungeon door, to the instant the terminal life-force clock slides onto the screen, I found the quest lengths were as follows; -
S02 T01's quest lasted 9m 41s.
S02 T06's quest lasted 10m 11s.
In the chamber before his death scene, the GCotC, had Aqash not started out going for the right hand exit before being reminded about his quest object, stopping and going left instead, his quest would probably have been the shortest of all time.
The final team in season 8 doesn't come close to being the shortest.
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Yes, as you say their quest could have been even shorter. They also had a rather pointless empty room first-up, which added time.
** Is this fact or urban myth?** Akash & co would have had an even shorter quest, as they originally scored 0/3 in the clue-room. However, the producers weren't able to depict Igneous devouring the dungeoneer, so the "TRUTH" spell scene with the troll was filmed afterwards to ensure they got at least 1/3 when they re-took the Igneous scene.
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That's a rumour. It's unsubstantiated, and I'm not sure anyone in the production team would remember, seeing as how it was so long ago. Maybe Akash's team know, but as to find them...
Anyway, my guess would be that this is true. My reasons for this are:
(i) Having a dungeoneer death as early as the first wall monster encounter wasn't ever intended to happen. (I'm fairly certain that a death animation could have been done, probably the wall monster saying something like, "FALSEHOOD! Now I feed on YOU!" and the life force suddenly appearing on screen in the depths of condition red). But this wouldn't have made for good television...
(ii) ...or even make the time and expense involved in starting an incredibly short quest worthwhile. The team had clearly passed the interview process, although quite how may be a mystery; they had earned their chance to be on Knightmare. Dying after five minutes is a very short time and doesn't make for any sort of excitement! It's hardly a quest at all!
(iii) Given the above two, it wasn't kosher for the production team to present the Watchers with a short, boring, lame-duck quest.
(iv) Lillith has already proven herself useful as a way of disposing dungeoneers who weren't going to finish level 1 (in most cases, by not taking the right item from the clue room), and Akash certainly hadn't taken it. Not getting any information from the wall monster didn't indicate that he should take the ice pack (although I would have - always take the unusual item!), and not doing so put the team in losing status.
(v) Adding a couple of rooms after the clue room itself made this feel like a more complete quest, and if the team were going to die anyway, let the Watchers think that, despite their bad start, they may have a chance.
(vi) Taking all the above into account, let's imagine that the team did, in fact, score zero during the wall monster encounter. This was so early on in the quest that it would have been easier, perhaps, to re-start the thing and insert the troll encounter in order to guarantee the team at least one truth. The troll encounter seems completely incongruous to me - particularly being so early on, as well; I'd expect encounters of this sort to take place later in Level 1 or Level 2 and certainly later than the Level 1 clue room - lending credence to the fact that this was inserted in at relatively short notice.
So I say that, given the evidence available, this rumour may indeed be true!
If it is true, then the selection of the troll may be called into question. Surely this early in Level 1, someone like Folly or Gretel might be more suited to giving out the spell. Their appearance this early in the Level probably wouldn't be as surprising, either. Heck, put the kitchen room in and have Mildread give them the spell after an admonishment from Treguard! Maybe it was easier to load the chasm room, or Guy Standeven was available and in costume ready to go... whatever the scenario, I think that it all lends credence to the rumour!
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