Old age comes to them all
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There are many different interpretations, so it is possible, but I think Lillith is the more widely acclaimed Vampire. Things are often lost in translation and Hebrew is difficult, it tokk Luther and his team years to translate the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament into Germany becuase Hebrew has no vowels.
You won't find anything about Lillith in Genesis, she is in another book. Christians don;t believe in her as they consider her to be just part of folk-lore.
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It does also seem to be common Christian practice to pretty much ignore most of the horrible/demonic/ooooh nasty thigs in this world.
This translation problem happens time and time again. It's the same as typing something simple like 'Yesterday I played backgammon with a Polish farmer' into a language translator, then pasting the response and translating is back into English and getting 'A European Agriculturalist and myself took part in a round of reverse ham the day before today'
Alright. A contrived example but I think it shows the point.
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The Lillith in the Labyrinths of Fear is the original because it is mentioned.
The problem with what you're saying, Pendragon, is that you're assuming the novellas are definitive when they're not. Tim Child gave an interview to *The Quest * magazine back in the early-90's (see http://www.knightmare.com/club/1-3/p4and5.htm) where he stated that the books were consistent with the "concept" of the show, but were not part of continuity in the details. There are numerous examples of this e.g. in the opening episode Treguard claimed that he alone had mastered the dungeon, and yet according to the first book he couldn't possibly have succeeded without Folly's help, making the word "alone" sound very hollow indeed.
Furthermore, there's no possibility whatsoever that the interactive stories at the back of the books are part of continuity at all, and that's where it was suggested that this was the Lillith who was Adam's first wife (and even there it's only hinted at and not clearly stated).
For what it's worth, when I write fanfics I try to keep them consistent with the books and the TV series wherever possible, but that's just because I prefer it that way. I don't imagine for a minute that my fics are definitive, so I don't see their basis as definitive either.
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I must admit to being very impressed with how recent threads have been playing out. Very intelligent conversation.
Okay, another probably mute point but I happen to remember Medusa appearing at least once (Series 2 I think) and being referred to as Medusa as well rather than just being a Gorgon.
So how would this be possible? Seeing as Medusa errrr.. lost her head, so to speak. With Pegasus being born from her severed neck!! This happened long before the period that KM is often thought to take place in.
So therefore the historical accuracy of Knightmare is under strong contention. It never claimed to be historically accurate.....therefore Lillith could be the same Lillith as Adam's first wife......or she could be a completely different one.....I guess the only answer could come from Tim Child himself.
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More importantly, why should she neccesarily be the same Lillith.
It is quite possible that an evil(ish) Sorceress was required, and Lillith seemed as good a name as any.
The actual Lillith could have been used as inspiration for the KM Lillith.
That doesn't mean it HAS to be the same Lillith.
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Not having read any of the books I cannot comment on this.
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Hmmm. Grippa and Rhark.
Difficult one. Not being versed in Goblin lore, I have no idea how long Goblins are generally thought to live to.
Although, if they're under Skarkill's control, I'd imagine they were quite young. No adult would take orders off Skarkill!!!
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Do you think that the goblins of series 3 and 4 were Grippa and Rhak or some other goblins.
I think that Grippa and Rhak were in series 3 and 4, they were young at the time and were cught either by Skarkill or by someon else who sold them to him.
This is no impossible since in Henryk Sienciewicz's Krysacy refers to bands of goblins living in the forests.
I also gather that goblins lived in communities and sent out raiding parties, ie. in the forest of Dun. They could be from the forests or the caverns as they were found in the caves at the end of level 2 in s3. Gundrada even called them Cavern scum.
Maybe there are two types, Cave goblins and Woodland goblins.
Regarding their age they could be immportal since they are related to elves or they could probably live a couple of hundred years, but thats a guess.
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The relationship to elves I have heard before. Something about basically being fallen elves, something to do with Dark Magic so I suppose they could also be ageless (immortal implies that they cannot be killed)
As for being the same Goblins as in previous series. I would like to think not. I'd like to think that each time we saw Goblins they were different ones. Adds to the idea of there being a whole race of them in the Dungeon, rather than just the two!
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immortal
\Im*mor"tal, n. One who will never cease to be; one exempt from death, decay, or annihilation. --Bunyan
i.e. Not even a sword blow can kill.
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For the simple reason that they are not immortal, merely ageless, same as Tolkeins elves. Ageless but still able to be killed.
Therefore not immortal.
It's like the age old argument about whether God is omnipotent. Most followers of a faith would claim yes. So simple. Ask God to make someone more powerful than himself. If he does it then he is no longer the most powerful being and therefore no longer omnipotent.
If he can't do it, then there is something he cannot do, there for he is not omnipotent.
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