I AGREE.

Mid to late Sept is fine for me.

Don't mind sacrificing a day's holiday for it.

I'd be up for this in theory assuming we're back to normality, almost survived 2020... Roll on 21 and get this mess cleared up.

I'm a yes in principle, providing it doesn't clash.

End of July is out for me, can do start July and most of August.

YHA does group rooms at a saving... who would like to be in a room share with me (and the others that do too)?

Regarding Whitby... It's mainly a sight-seeing type place, there isn't a whole lot in the way of entertainments it's definitely a make-your-own fun job. An ideal setting though for getting into role play and related games. There are lots of attractions etc. in areas around Whitby but that would then rely upon us having sufficient transport amongst us.

Whitby is a fantastic location for the Midnight Hunt, LARP and Roleplay games generally. I'd also recommend group bookings in the YHA, it has good lounge facilities and therefore would be a good gathering point.

Regarding food...

Northerners have taste when it comes to Chips, many places in the North of England use animal fat because it tastes significantly better. For the vast majority of non-discriminatory consumers this is a good thing. If your diet is limited solely to fried potatoes then you may wish to ensure you also consume plenty of milk and oatmeal in order to prevent a vitamin D & E deficiency.

I'm in favour of Whitby over Blackpool for a Midnight Hunt setting. I wouldn't be able to do both meets though, one or the other. Whitby has a lot to offer in terms of appropriate theme. Blackpool would have to be one of those "characters out in the real world" scenarios. We've never been to Whitby before and I think it'd have much appeal for cos-players too. It's also home of a Gothic festival. Downside is it's not the easiest place to get to.

Just a little bump to say it's not to late to get involved for anyone still interested. Hotels have been booked, plans have been laid, don't miss out of what will be a weekend to remember one way or another

Just to add to what Alan's said above. Basically this is a mixture of general social stuff as well as an opportunity to participate in the creation and playing of an early version of what will become the next Midnight Hunt for a future KM Convention.

What's a midnight hunt? It's a game played outside in the streets of our chosen location (York) a sort of action adventure game.

It's an opportunity to try new ideas and see what does and doesn't work for the format. You'll be given chance to either assist, play a role or play the game. We'll be looking for input from everyone involved to get your thoughts. I can't really elaborate too much on some of the initial ideas as that would potentially spoil the final result.

The game will take place in the streets of York - a beautiful historic city - at night although not as late as Midnight. It's success relies on people taking an interest and participating though. We can't pay you (we're not a business) and we're not charging people either although you do need to cover hotel, travel etc.

But as I've said it's not just about creating and playing a game, it's a great opportunity to just socialise with people within the KM community. Eat, drink, visit nice places, play games and generally be merry.

Postby dugeoneerborne » Sat May 24, 2014 11:31 am

... I never got a reply to the email I sent to the guys about the pics, I'll check the link out.

Paid for My photo.

A response was e-mailed on 21st May at 11:!8. Admittedly several days had passed from your original e-mail but I opted to getting the pictures uploaded and order system in place before replying as any reply I sent was useless prior to that point. Thank you for your purchase - I just don't want the false impression to be given that I never replied to e-mails.

Just comments on the main points raised...

Alstonefield - Used before, worked before, more than enough people to arrange collection from train station(s) so long as people are given a time to be collected. We've used it twice previously without a problem. The reviews don't give their reasons for rating it so poorly - I certainly don't.

Time off work - Required really for any distant trip that's going to be more than just a Saturday evening & Sunday morning. With advanced notice this shouldn't be a problem. Every larger event we've ever done has always had an element of requiring time off to it.

Hathersage - looks good to me, dates are limited for hiring venue outright. Meaning for a weekend it'd be December or March. Alton Towers opens late March and there is still availability. If we got 18 people it'd be about £64 each for the weekend (Fri - Mon). More people drops the cost. Location gets my support in principle.

To elaborate a little further, the game that's in mind requires sole use of a single venue and location with good features to support it. It's not a murder mystery, it's more a rp scare adventure / quest.

London & other big cities - World doesn't revolve around them, they're not the right setting for the specific idea in mind and hotels there would probably cost the same per night as a Hostel would per person for the weekend.

Ultimately it's entirely down to what people want to do. You could do a casual evening meetup at Tulley's Farm - in fact that could happen in addition to what's been said here. Or we could just meet for an afternoon drinking session in a pub. Greater things require more time, more planning and greater commitment.

Just checked Tulley's Farm dates the proper page doesn't yet say anything still but the Job Vacancies page says it's from Oct 22nd - 31st.

Just a quick heads up, there's a lot of BOGOF offers floating around for Alton & Thorpe Park at the moment. Even though it does mean taking time off we've tried weekends / school holidays with these trips previously and it was shockingly bad (busy beyond belief).

Initial plans are being made for a KM trip to Wales. The potential date is 25th August 07. Currently being examined is the possibility of staying in either YHA accomodation or at a static caravan park. It would be for 5 nights and at an estimated cost of £17.50 per night. The plan is to tour around Wales visiting various historic places and castles so it's an ideal treat for any History buffs or fans of Knightmare style architecture. At the moment all that's being asked for is a show of hands of who is interested on going on this trip, there's no obligation yet. So please e-mail if you'd like to go or want more details. Please check your availability first before getting in touch though. This trip is open to all Knightmare Fans and their Friends & Family.

E-Mail: forester@remove-this-bit.knightmare.org.uk

Team 6 Season 2 Akash... Team member is called Kirsten not Kirsty

Mr Brollchan is right, the original does indeed use a safety helmet, a yellow one if I recall correctly.

They need used foam around the outside of it to give it the shape and then layers of paint of top of that. The ridges are made from string painted gold.

Makes it very light to wear and comfortable too. The newer one is less comfortable for adults as it was made using a childs bike helmet I think. Also unlike the original it's not made of foam.

I didn't say that they should be held liable though did I? And nor should they be.

What I did say was a comparison, that just like P2P networks eBay serve a legitimate and illegitimate trade. However, they're never attacked by the media moguls E.g. RIAA, MPAA... I believe that anyone providing a service should be treated equally and not on the basis of how big a company they actually are. I seriously don't believe anyone that produces any type of goods or services should be held accountable for how those goods & services are used. Even though there's a lot of people who think very differently. But I do think that all companies diserve equal treatment regarding this, which does not happen... eBay is given a rather wide birth.

Illegal activity ... Perhaps a broad statement there yes I faultered. What I ought to have said is there's not a lot of incentive for them to prevent piracy because they profit from it (as they do from all listings except freebies) and almost everyone buying such goods knows they're counterfeit goods. Unlike other illegal activity such as taking money and never delivering.

Please note I haven't said they are actively supporting piracy, just saying they're not exactly doing much to prevent it and do not honour a lot of the reports people send to them.

I'm speaking from experience here in which taking the proper route for reporting a user yields no response yet taking a similar yet different abuse report route does so. Thus suggesting they're not as committed as they ought to be and claim to be.

The following soap box rant is very long you have been warned....

A lot of people have taken objection to their sale on eBay largely down to when it first started occuring. Originally there was organised "tape trading" in the form of NKTP long before Challenge started showing the episodes. People were fine with this and Tim Child himself had no complaints.

But then the episodes started being sold on eBay for stupid sums of money like £40. Much more than the cost of copying, clearly being done not as a service but to make a quick buck.

Because of this the whole tape trading thing also had to cease because the powers that be began to take notice.

A lot of people believe that in buying pirate copies it reduces the potential for DVD sales since it shrinks the market. But surely Challenge TV showing the numerous repeats has done far more damage to the potential market. I personally believe that as has been said that even people with pirate copies or vhs recordings would still go and buy the real thing. There is still considerable value in a well produced product. Plus DVDs allow for considerable extra value to be thrown in (Interviews, Commentary tracks, Hidden features etc).

Most people have acquired episodes through traditional means of contacting each other where they can't be easily tracked. E.g. MSN, Yahoo, Private messages in KM Chat room. Keeping it off the forum means should anything occur you're not going to end up with a law suit chasing you.

Those that do conduct these backhand deals also do so at cost rather than with aim of making a profit. Therefore I think that what is the real issue is people making a profit from something they've no right to royalties from.

Yes the eBay pirates are filling a niche market that should really not exist. Knightmare should be out on DVD considering that many less popular programs are already.

I don't think time to convert the footage is an issue, Challenge TV clearly have managed to obtain the episodes in a more common useable form and possess them at a level of quality that does not require digital enhancement. I've seen digital recordings from Challenge TV broadcasts myself and one thing they're not is poor quality. And in fact the quality would be even better if transferred straight to DVD.

The DVDs on offer I would guess are conversions of the AVI files that are available for free to download. These AVI files despite being considerably small meet most peoples level of acceptable and much better than any VHS recording. If people are paying for poor quality DVDs on eBay I'm sure they'll be happy to pay for Challenge TV quality DVDs so the argument about restoration is not really worth making. Anyone who knows who to ask, or where to search will easily come across the files. I personally consider this form of piracy (because UK law does clearly state it is illegal) to be a far lesser crime ethically than selling for a profit.

My argument for piracy is that essentially Knightmare earned the money that was expected from it years ago. It is only the fan base which has helped give it a new lease of life and once again make it a valuable commodity. In software piracy there's an area called "abandonware" which is software that's so old the hardware isn't sold anymore and even the publishers tend to not exist or sell the existing stuff. Really if the creator of something had made their money from it and isn't willing to address the new markets formed from nostalgia it really ought to become public domain material. But my own beliefs can't change the law.

This forum has to respect the law regardless how wrong or right it might be. eBay in my opinion are worse than "warez" sites and P2P networks. Not only are they not sued for allowing piracy to occur (unlike P2P networks which have legitmate uses and do not charge) they're making a profit out of the piracy. So eBay doesn't genuinely have an interest in preventing illegal activity which is why despite reporting sellers they're rarely removed or stopped. But to stay in business eBay will bend over backwards when lawyers get involved.

So in conclusion people are anal on the forum because somebody tried to abuse tape trading and turn it into a money making business. It damaged an existing system of fair trade that worked fine and the Powers that be didn't much mind. The episodes can be viewed on Challenge TV (for the cost of a sky or cable subscription) or downloaded (if you know where) for free. There's no need for genuine fans to be profiting from Knightmare, and a genuine fan would be glad to enable another fan to watch the show at cost. It isn't that people don't want others to see Knightmare or be able to watch it, it's just they'd rather it be done in a fair manner in which any profits go to the right place.

Maybe one day Tim or Anglia might one day consider a pay to download system for obtaining episodes a bit like iTUnes & Channel 4. It is certainly lower risk marketing wise than producing DVDs. For the time being try asking around before turning to the eBay pirates, but don't ask on the forum because the owner & moderators don't want the legal responsibility and it's risky to condone or encourage illegal activity no matter how much you really disagree with the law.