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That damned life force....

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    Purgatory
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    to many people seem to say the old life force was sick/disgusting/scary and even dark.. i for one way BAH.

    It was none of them, it was 'real' in the scene of what real is when it comes to life and the world of knightmare/imagination and tv. Maybe a little difficult to watch for younger views, but it was true to it form.

    i think the pie is far more in the 'darker' side because it doesn't resemble human life when thats exactly what it represents. plus it crap.

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      I thought the old life force was one of the things that made Knightmare even more special for me, very much so in the death sequence when the eye balls rolled past you and you heard the bell chimes. Unforgetable.

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        WillsOfDoom
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        The sound effects that went with the original life-force really kicked. I thought some of the most chilling death sequences were in series four - because of the way the life-force was used.

        The Mogdred sword death was great.

        They didn't use a knell, just a slowing heart-beat and cracking bone. Awesome.

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          Eldarad
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          The original Life Force clock was great!

          I don't think it was scary by itself...but it helped to build up the tension. And it's such a vivid image, that most people can remember it years after the event.

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            WillsOfDoom
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            I agree. Some of the deaths you never forget, and seeing them again you can see why.

            Has anyone noticed that most of the deaths in series three involve falling off of things? The ones that don't (a lightning bolt to the head/captured by goblins) were the ones I remembered best.

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              I reckon the Life Force animation was generated frame by frame on an Amiga or something. It might have taken a while to render each frame of the animation, (remember how long it used to take to 'floodfill' an area on an Amiga paint program) but they might have recorded it frame by frame into a digital framestore, or a supercomputer - then output the final animation to videotape from there.

              Perhaps they even used the digital framestore in the actual episodes, so it could be easily fast forwarded or cut when the life force got damaged by an enemy or magic.

              I reckon we should find someone who worked on the programme and see if they still have the original source for the animation. Or even a 'clean' version of the tape with just the full-screen life force animation on it (i.e. without the credits running over it)

              The Life Force animation (original face/skull) is one of the things that I remember vividly about the early series of Knightmare. I was only about 8 when I first saw it on CITV, but the Life Force death sequence remained lodged in my mind from that very first death!

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                We have been able to run a full Life Force animation RPG-wise, was taken from a smaller on-screen picture, and pieced together (as no team had a full run-down of the life force within a quest (at once), the frames were made by gathering several quests together).

                It came out rather well, too.

                The clock was certainly the reason why I wanted to watch the second episode after watching the first.

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                  LordSmear
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                  ah the life force. Its just the bell thats gets me when they run out of life, the eyes comin out of the skull, yeah as a kid it scared me. and as an adult it scares me!

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                    Melisandrinoff
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                    I loved the rotting skull lifeforce Yeah it was creepy, but then so was a lot of Knightmare...and that certainly is one of the things I remembered from having watched it as a kid. The walking dude was ok...but the pie, ye gads, the pie, what deranged person had the idea that a pie would be good to show the life force?! What on earth has a pie got to do with anything, it just doesn't fir in with the atmosphere of KM, it looks like something out of My Little Pony (which was great in its own right, just not mixable with KM). Nope, the pie was a mistake, I'd take the rotting skull anyday

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                      If you read the interview with Tim Child, he kinda explains why the Life Force became less of a priority, hence the pie.

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                        SkipTheDreadnort
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                        Hi everyone,

                        You folks are just what I need to help me out of a creative rut I'm stuck in. I'm working on a Knightmare game, and there has been considerable deate about how to implement the Life Force Clock.

                        I'd really appreciate it if you could head over to the **Here's a mad idea... ** thread and lay down some ideas.

                        http://www.talkknightmare.co.uk/yabbse/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1;action=display;threadid=1153

                        Thanks a lot!

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                          Arcengal
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                          Nowadays, I'm getting better (I started this topic!) with the life force clock. I'm ok looking just until it hits condition red, then I just look away and wait for the "oooh Nasty" or equivalent.

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                            knightmaredave
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                            that stupid cake it really annoyed me(as it did with all other people i know!)

                            i hated it when i watxched s 8 i say alweays to my friends "that bloody cake thing"

                            the 2nd lfe force was gos whern it was put into action for deaths though!!!! especially series 6 team 2 drednaught death!

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                              TomDread
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                              I agree that life force was crap. Not scary at all. And i think there's a very good reason why it wasnt show when someone died- imagine it- someone dead; a plate fills up the screen. That dunt show a death.

                              The first life force is best. I think for a new series it should be modified by making more movements- eyes blinking and face movements- & the frame on condition green (where that face opens his mouth really wide) should have a blood curling scream also there shud be ripping sounds on condition amber when skin peels of. extreme HORROR the way i imagine it but would put suspense bak into the show.

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                                TomDread
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                                I think the face was based on that knight in the 1-5 opening titles. Both faces are purple and the life force face has a helmet which makes me think it is a knight.

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                                  Ironlord
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                                  Ye gods... an old thread.

                                  Definitely one more vote for the original life force clock - and not just because I never* saw the second or third first time round, either.

                                  • For certain values of "Never", that is. I saw a couple of clips of series 6 first time round, at least one containing the walking knight clock - which I thought was unmemorable at the time, but since then when I've seen it on Challenge it does have a very impressive CLANG! every time a bit of armour drops off.

                                  The main problem with the S6-7 clock, though, is the same problem that the S1-2 clock had - it ran far too quickly, and there are a number of rooms where the clock could have started at full power and the dungeoneer would have been dead by the end of it. (Examples: every single level one clue room...) Did anyone ever manage to piece together how long the S6-7 clock ran out? I reckon that one was the shortest of the lot.

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                                    Naitch
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                                    I really liked the original life force.

                                    I mean it was creepy, but that added to it in my opinion.

                                    Esp. when it got to life force red, and the skull was disintergrating and the eyes would be spinning around.

                                    I quite liked the walking life force as well. Not as much as the original face, but I liked the way that too disintergrated at the end.

                                    The pie I was neither here or there with it. I thought it was a bit silly at first, but it didn't get me hot under the collar.

                                    Well, not as much as Majida anyway

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                                      darkDescender
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                                      Steady now.

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                                        Steady now.

                                        Who's this aimed at?

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                                          Ironlord
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                                          Who's this aimed at?

                                          Naitch, presumably. Strangely enough, I imagined Dark Descender's comment narrated by the dog from the Churchill adverts.

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