Series 1 - Episode 8
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Weird. I never realised that the team didn't use their spell.
Heh. Hooray for in-depth episode discussion.
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why can't i find that interview on www.knightmare.com hmmmmmm
P.S. Majida rules
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My suspicion is that several rooms in level 2 were left out of the final edit to fit the quest inside the season time limit.
This is a plausible theory because when watching Team 4, they did encounted quite a few rooms in Level 2, and there was probably more to come if they had got past the room with Folley and his riddle. However for this last team after Cedric, there was only The Spear Room,The Clue Room,The Key room for Casper,The Merlin Room, and The Level 3 Well so only 5 rooms which seems oddly short for Level 2, So YES if there was rooms cut out of the quest, there was obviously one where the team used the Bell, and one where they used the Shield Spell too????
If these edits were made, then I have one word(WHY) Maybe the production team thought there was a risk the team might not quite reach level 3, and maybe they thought it would be good for the viewers to at least see what level 3 would have looked like in Series 1 even if the team didnt complete their quest????
I'm more inclined to argue that there was too much material for the time slot and that some of it had to go. I mean it's only a 25min programme, it's not going to cover everything.
And of course it will not be limited to this particular quest/episode either. You might have 16 episodes to play with in the series but you can't show everything that went on as it'd be considerably boring for one thing, watching tedious whisperings with sod all else going on plus you'd only see about 2 teams a series.
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Hmm, indeed. We know that rooms and scenes were filmed 'posthumously' and inserted into quests. It most likely works the other way around, too - scenes and rooms that have been cut out. That'd be a fascinating reel to watch.
Assuming said reels haven't been destroyed by now, in light of the fact it'd have no use anywhere at all and that the idea of "Extras" on DVDs and stuff was still 15 years off.
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A lot of censors' cuts from long-lost Doctor Who stories exist, made way back in the 60s. Bearing that in mind, perhaps it's not so unreasonable to consider that Km cuts exist as well. (And if they find the missing episode of The Tenth Planet, it's a dead cert! )
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It is hard to tell whether KM producers kept the outtakes, though it is certainly fair from impossible.
Outtakes from Doctor Who still exist, hours worth from 80s stories (again when DVD extras had not even been thought of) and even minor studio work from late 60s stories.
However, in some cases they simply choose not to keep outtakes out of respect to the actors involved, Peter Rogers of the Carry On legacy upholds this, minus outtakes from Columbus (I hope).
Only way we'll know is by asking the man himself.
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Episode 8 was def. the best ep. of series 1 but does give you a suspicion if editing went on
That SHIELD spell... my theory is that the team actually encountered MOGDRED (where i got my name) in LEVEL 2 bcoz Merlin said that Mogdred lies ahead i.e Level 2 and below. However was cut-out maybe bcoz Mogdred might've gloated for soooooooooooooooooooo looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg!!!
Also his name is in the credits. He might've tried to kill the team but would have used the spell against him... aah... i can just imagine it now... Mogdred would have said something like
"Richard ignore your quest- Mogdred's path lies below. (NILREM) Spurn it and you will face creatures beyond fear Mwhahahahahahahhahahahaah"
Er... how does that sound to evry1 here?
One last thing; Harvey Towers, the team could not use the OPPOSITE spell against the door bcoz they had not gained it yet. It wernt till they met the Gargoyle they earned it. Maybe if the team took the horn there might've been poison on the other side of the wall in Jericho 6 then maybe cast the spell to make it harmless and would use it to heal life force that's what i think anyway...
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Not sure what the opposite spell would have been used for. Looked like a large pit behind the wall so maybe after the wall is blasted down with the horn the opposite spell could be used to turn the pit into a path or bridge?
Good episode for Series 1. Shame Mogdred did not get to be seen.
Outtakes and unedited quests would be quality. Maybe they could re-edit the series for DVD so that rather than individual episodes they do it so you have them as individual quests (so the lonegr quests are just straight through rather then tempral distorted - with outtakes could ahve some uber long quests!)
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"Shame Mogdred did not get to be seen."
But i think he DID when they originally filmed the episode. If you look at the episodes Team 6 were in and then the early episodes of the series, you'll see it was speeded up. So therefore, Tim Child and co. depended on this team to get to Level 3. It would be boring if they died or the season ended when they were in level 2.
I think there was an extra room between when they left Merlin's chamber and entered the wellway to Level 3. Also, spells are supposed to be used on the level on which they were recieved. SHIELD seemed like a good defence against Mogdred and in the final edit we never saw the spell getting used. 1 final thing to prove my theory- Mogdred's name is in the credits. Either some idiot didn't watch the series and just typed it on purpose, or, there's something else to it. Case Closed.
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It seems to be generally accepted that there were scenes filmed for the last quest of season 1 that were missing from the broadcasts, and I'm sure there were.
However, while it was possible he was there, personally I don't think Mogdred was in the missing scenes, as that would surely have been far too big a moment to cut out. Yes, he was mentioned in the credits, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was there; characters getting credited in episodes they didn't appear in were a-dime-a-dozen in Knightmare. (It seems the convention might have been a gesture of acknowledgment to the actors when they had to go to all the trouble of learning their lines for a scene that ended up not happening because the dungeoneer got killed off one room earlier. John Woodnutt in particular got quite annoyed about that.)
I suspect Mogdred was going to appear in the last couple of chambers of the dungeon for an 'ultimate challenge/final confrontation' thingie.
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I don't think they would have put someone through to Level 3 if they had dies at some point in level 2. I remember (although it has been a while since last saw the episode) that they had the password to get down the wellway but I never could remember them getting the password so not sure if that room was edited out, yet they kept the 6 minute Folley vs. Cedric insult battle (which is very tasty I have to admit) in. Surely if they were struggling for time they would have done the standard 3 riddles with Cedric?
I think Series 1 was a big learning curve for Knightmare as you could see some of the first few quests were harsh, Team 1 had really difficult items to choose from, later series have 1 obvious worng item usually and with a bit of logic can determine which items to take even if no advice had been given. Level 2, for example, was normally fairly self explainitary which items to take. Some of the questions\riddles in Series 1 were very tough as well. Anyone elses thoughts on this series?
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