Series 3 - Episode 15
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How great was that mine cart ride, what a shame the S4 changes made it redundant! And I knew those dwarf tunnels looked a bit odd, as the white areas were black areas and vice versa!
Now, this Owen- is he the same S2 dragon or not? Well, he has a different voice for one. And he's actually willing to help the dungeoneer, as opposed to the S2 dragon who just wanted to eat you. I suspect they're different ones. As for Martin's death, well, that was just unfair. Series 3 is WAY too dependent on answering riddles correctly, which has helped a lot of unfair deaths. Why did they bother putting up all those post-Owen rooms if they were already in losing status? They could have put a bomb room immediately after Owen and given the next team a better chance of winning. Still, that's my rant over with. Last episode of S3 tomorrow, folks!
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Why did they bother putting up all those post-Owen rooms if they were already in losing status? They could have put a bomb room immediately after Owen and given the next team a better chance of winning.
Because that would have been boring, and there would have been no tension whatsoever. Very few teams (except the ones slain by their own advisors) die the instant they enter losing status. Part of the fun is the inevitability. Martin's team certainly deserved a better send-off than a bomb room, and the scene with Morghana after the tension of their progress through the rest of level 3 is one of Knightmare's finest, in my humble opinion.
Knightmare in series 3 was always a balance between knowledge and guidance; if you didn't have one or the other, you will lose. Their riddle was easier than Leo's, certainly.
There's a post of mine somewhere that points out the number of teams that killed themselves off through poor manoeuvring in s3; teams 1, 3, 5 and 6 walk into or off something, teams 4, 8, 10 and 11 are killed off as a direct result of getting a riddle wrong (and I'm being generous with that definition with regards team 8). Of the others; t9 was a mixture of both, t7 picked the wrong object from the clue room (so you can argue they needed to get more questions right if you like; I say they just went for greed. Given the choice between an innocent-looking crayon and a bar of gold, I'd have gone for the crayon...), and t2 doesn't fit into either category. My somewhat rambling point is that the majority of deaths in this series were not caused by getting riddles wrong, although it doesn't help - and why should it?
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You'd have only gone for the crayon as a result of the logic 'why the heck would they put a useless looking object on the table to make me think the gold isn't the best choice', though, surely.
Yes, although the earlier series and books do enforce the feeling that taking money or gems when you haven't been instructed to is the path of greed (rather than bribery), in much the same way as you don't carry the weapons of your enemies unless otherwise instructed. S2t3 take a gem instead of the shield to protect themselves against the Medusa, and suffer as a result.
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An excellent episode. Liked the calling. Much better than timidly utering 'Malefact' 3 times just yell. "MOTLEY!" Martin looked very relaxed in the mine cart ride. Maybe a little too relaxed...anyway. Nice cameo for the Hobgoblin. Merlin taking far too long to cast a spell, as usual. And I just have to say I thought Morghana was simply smashing. Loved her outfit. Looking forward to seeing the end of series sequence tonight. And now I'm done.
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Rewatching this episode I just realised, when Merlin is summoned watch closely. Martin jumps about a foot in the air when he hears him.
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Big it up to Morghanna! The best Knightmare baddie killing the most annoying dungeoneer in the show's history. Was it just me or did Martin have the biggest strop on with his advisors throughout level 3? Didn't look like he wanted to be there at all and deserved to lose so close to victory! Evil but true!
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Big it up to Morghanna! The best Knightmare baddie killing the most annoying dungeoneer in the show's history. Was it just me or did Martin have the biggest strop on with his advisors throughout level 3? Didn't look like he wanted to be there at all and deserved to lose so close to victory! Evil but true!
Nooooo, Martin is great! From the I'm-such-a-cool-teenager pout he does right after calling his advisors, through the "stop whispering, I can't hear you" chiding and the "hello?" to them when they're whispering amongst themselves, his manoeuvring skills (especially when walking round/over the bones in the first level 3 room)... he was a top dungeoneer. No-one else that series got so involved; shaking his legs after he climbed out of the 'water' in the pool room, dusting himself down after he got out of the mine cart... and the joke he told to Motley was better than Leo's team's bungled effort
I think he really, really wanted to win, and thought he could do it, and as such was evidently disappointed when he knew or felt that they'd failed when not getting Owen's riddle right ("sigh C'mon, let's go").
I always preferred watching the teams who really got into it and wanted to win, as opposed to the ones scared of losing. Martin's team in series 3, and Giles' team in series 4, are both great fun to watch - because they're really enjoying themselves.
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Is he good or eveil or what. When I saw him on series 3 I thought he was good because he offered Martin "Dragnmagicm," but when I saw him series 2 (much later) I decided he was an ally of Mogdred.
I think he's in one of the later books, is he good or evil in that?
Also what kind of Dragonmagic do you think Martin would've recieved.
Was Owen's chamber better with or without the ledge for the dungeoneer to walk on? I liked the idea of them having to walk accross his nose to get past.
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I know this is an old topic, but I like speculating on unused spells...
I just think it would be a similar spell to FIRE and they'd have to use it to attack Morganna before she got the chance to attack them.
That's the theory I'd go along with. I've tended to regard Malice as Morghanna-renamed-and-recast (and developed through her appearances), so I think it's plausible that the use of FIRE against Malice in Series 4's winning quest was an idea originally intended for use against Morghanna. And what more fitting 'dragon magic' could you have than a FIRE spell?
[Note: this has also been discusssed here: http://www.knightmare.com/forum/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1;action=display;threadid=1757 ]
Addendum: It's noteworthy that Morghanna says, 'I stoop to extinguish your flame.' This might have been intended as an ironic prompt for the team to use their own fiery magic.
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What on earth is Hordriss muttering about, when the last team of Series 3 find him meditating on the ledge? He seems to be repeating something like:
*Dungeons deep, darkness cold
For those found the least bold
For those found the most of fear
Then let us find in darkness here
She whose walk on legs like sticks
The silver web that traps and grips*
Trying to summon Ariadne perhaps??
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think your box is broken, mine has recorded all of them.
It's so bizarre though, we record stuff all the time and it's only Knightmare that has been giving me trouble. It works when someone is keeping an eye on it, but as soon as no-one is here, this happens! Gah!
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