TAPE PIRACY
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I'd just like to thank ebay for actually listening when reports are sent about specific members selling many Knightmare DVDs. One member did have 6 KM DVD auctions on ebay, and all of those auctions have this morning as of 10:45am GMT been removed by ebay.
So do not despair people, sometimes reporting to ebay does get results, you just have to know the right path to take.
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I dont see what the problem is, if people want to watch the show and its not available to purchase in the shops then who cares if its a copy from a tv broadcast?
You really think Mr Fat Cat who owns the copyrights to the show gives a s*** about the show and fans?
All the copyright holder cares about is $$$ because thats their job, not yours.
If people wish to trade these dvds on a fan to fan basis then what the hell is the problem with that?
And furthermore i find it hilarious we have a bunch of people here who are complaining about the copyrights when this site isnt even an OFFICIAL SITE!!
you do realise that without a licence to display all of this content from the show, (images, audio clips, video clips) on this site YOU are infact in breach of the copyrights!!
I am one of the people who purchased all series 1-8 from a guy from ebay, and i am one happy owner the quality is great. The dvds have menus and everything.
You people need to get a grip on real life man, put things into perspective a bit.
The people selling these dvds have a market obviously, how dare you poke your noses into other peoples business preventing sales of something which you dont even own the copyright to.
Your actions are preventing people like me who enjoyed the show growing up being able to see it, without the ebay guys how else would i have been able to watch it?
Ok guys can you please show me a licence that you have to use all of this content on this site?
Do i need to contact the copyright holder and report your site? Its the same thing your doing to the ebay guys.
Mind your own business you have too much time on your hands.
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you do realise that without a licence to display all of this content from the show, (images, audio clips, video clips) on this site YOU are infact in breach of the copyrights!!
I take it this user read the 'terms of use' page?. The contents of this page is similar in wording to that used on many TV presentation websites.
Do i need to contact the copyright holder and report your site? Its the same thing your doing to the ebay guys.
From memory the rights to Knightmare have now reverted back to Televirtual. So if you wish to report knightmare.com to the owner of Televirtual then you are more than welcome. Unfortunately for yourself the owner appears to be Tim Child, who is fully aware of this website. Incidentally worth noting that knightmare.com isn't part of a commercial opperation, compared to dvd sales on ebay.
And furthermore i find it hilarious we have a bunch of people here who are complaining about the copyrights when this site isnt even an OFFICIAL SITE!!
Whilst the argument of "this isn't even an official website" may be true, it does have some official input for example the history pages of the website. If time was taken to read the other pinned dvd topic it would become clear that request is being made from Tim Child, therefore I think this argument is somewhat irrrelevant.
If people wish to trade these dvds on a fan to fan basis then what the hell is the problem with that?
sigh please read the other pinned topic and you should realise why.Remember people the link for reporting auctions is...
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Why does Tim Child want them removed? If he plans to release the show onto official DVDs then its understandable but is he?? I highly doubt it!!
I am a great fan of the show and would 100% purchase an official released boxset if one existed, but it dosnt so i have had to make do with a fan made one.
If Tim Child has no intentions of releasing the shows on DVD then he should not prevent genuine fans from watching the show via other methods, its being broadcast on challenge TV so it is available to the entire nation to record in their own homes if they so please,
I pay for sky and if i had the time i could have quite easily recorded these myself onto my home DVD recorder. Would that be allowed? whats the difference?
I got all series 1-8 for £15.
What with stock, labour, machine wear and tear, electricity bills, postage and all the other things, i cant imagine much profit being made on the fan made sets.
Its not about profit, its about genuine fans being able to enjoy the show, if hes releases the DVDs officially i will still buy it, but he wont, so we either make do with the home made ones or go without.
Lets be honest its hardly a state of the art top secret hollywood movie, the programme is donkeys years old and not really worth much in commercial value, sure it has a few thousand of us fans but nothing near the number required to compete with some of todays offerings!
here is the 10 DVD boxset i bought for £15 it was the best one i saw on ebay, the guy selling it was a genuine fan we had a good chat about the show turns out his brother was an actual contestant and wanted to see the show, he didnt know what series or episode so thats why he ended up recording the all the series.
You genuine fans are missing out, waiting for something which will never come!
stop trying to be heros, life is too short, you wont get an award!
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In answer to a couple of queries here:
Permission was obtained from Tim Child in 1998 to create this website and I have a letter as proof.
I'm sure he would love to have Knightmare released on DVD but it's Granada Ventures (owners of the Anglia archive) who would decide that. They have not done so as they don't think they will sell enough copies to make it viable, and it has been said before that this is partly due to tape copying.
More info is available on the FAQs at www.knightmare.com/faq.htm
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Well in my opinion i think its all rather petty to prevent people from obtaining these sets on ebay, the only people who will type in "knightmare" into ebay will be a genuine fan of the show.
I work in audio post production / restoration and from the audio side alone i know the amount of time and work involved to convert all of that old analogue footage into digital footage to meet todays DVD quality standards would mount astronomical costs! You cant even imagine how much work actually goes into DVD production of that kind.
And they are right they would certainly not sell enough units to cover thier losses.
They only ever release the entire series DVDs of really popular shows like, The A Team or (K)nightrider!
If we are very lucky we may see a "Best Of Knightmare" DVD set
which would probably be 90 mins of edited moments.
but even still that is highly unlikely.
I really cant understand why so many of you have such a negative outlook on these ebay sets, you cant buy this programme anywhere else, and the people selling them are doing all the genuine fans a service.
I think some of you are trying to take the moral highground on this, and others have just followed suit not wishing to rock the boat.
Im totally against piracy of new unreleased movies or of DVD sets that are available to purchase from shops,
but i think there is a lot of room for debate when the show is:
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not available to purchase anywhere
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never going to be released on DVD (sorry but its true)
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over 10 years old
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currently being re run on a really unpopular cable/sky channel
sorry if i sound a bit blunt but i really did love this show when i was growing up and the only people who would be interested in buying a set like this would be genuine fans like me, and without ebay i would not have been able to watch it this over this xmas holiday.
dont cut off your nose to spite your faces
all the best guys
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Well done, KM12345. Thanks for bringing attention to forumites the time involved in producing discs. I’ve done a lot of editing over the holiday, and it takes so long that sometimes I can’t be bothered. So for the Brollochan to simply assume that selling price less cost equals profit is unjust. Even unofficial productions have costs involved. Unless people resell other peoples unoffical work.
To Illusion…
It doesn’t matter if you’ve obtained permission from Tim Child. He doesn’t own the Intellectual Property to Knightmare – ITV do. Granada Ventures are merely a satellite group that deal with the merchandising of brands beyond broadcast. BUT, as Knightmare is no longer an active brand, and there are no current plans to bring Knightmare to DVD, it makes your point invalid.
Just enjoy the show, guys.
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To clarify matters, the rights to the Knightmare format reverted solely to Tim Child a couple of years ago. Granada own the right to the 'made programmes'.
Your argument is completely neutered by your use of the word 'current'. As you currently perceive it, there are no 'current' plans to bring back Knightmare to DVD. You assume that the status of the market will remain fixed. What about new, cheaper, higher-capacity media in the years to come? By doing what you are doing, you are undermining future possibilities. Also, in providing an alternative to subscribing to Challenge, you are reducing their potential audience. How well would that go down in their board room if they were ever considering commissioning the new series?
To quote the rules of this forum, "we cannot condone this activity as it is illegal and potentially could get yourself and/or the site in trouble."
That is the bottom line.
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This is obviously an emotive issue amongst the forum members.
I for one would be very grateful for the opportunity to own Knightmare on DVD. It's never going to happen as an official release, as Knightmare only really has a 'cult' following of a few thousand fans - it would just not be profitable.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs, I would welcome an unofficial copy! As long as there was no blatant profiteering of course.
And before anybody asks, I do not condone piracy.
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My point was that I do not condone Piracy of any active brands.
As I do not have Sky (and cannot afford it), I would welcome an unofficial copy as I have would have no other way of being able to watch it.
If somebody was to release an official DVD, then I would be one of the first to go out and buy it, whether I had an unoffical copy or not.
It may sound like a contradiction, but in the situation with Knightmare, I would be willing to have one of these in the interim until there is an official release.
I would not purchase a pirate copy of anything that I can obtain via normal routes.
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And that goes back to my point of not having, and not being able to afford Sky.
Maybe there should be a petition for a DVD official release? Maybe then it might happen, and people would not have to resort to unofficial fan-made versions if they want to watch the programme.
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There have been loads of petitions about it, Kev, take my word for it. Unfortunately, none of the publishing companies pay much attention to them. Even Granada Media ignore them, even though they were the ones who put forward a proposal for a DVD release in the first place.
Check some of the threads on the 'What Knext?' board for more details.
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I hope you all understand my views.
I don't want to be seen to be condoning piracy, I just want to be able to watch Knightmare!
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Yeah, I think it's the one most people have. The common sense take is that, so long as what's in circulation is definitely and permanently 'abandonware', it's not really piracy to copy and distribute it, as long as it's done discreetly and on a not-for-profit basis.
The problem when attaching this principle to Knightmare is that its 'abandonware' status isn't definite - especially as it's still shown regularly on Challenge - and as there are so many efforts to get a DVD release, it's not necessarily a permanent one either.
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Well in my opinion i think its all rather petty to prevent people from obtaining these sets on ebay, the only people who will type in "knightmare" into ebay will be a genuine fan of the show.
I work in audio post production / restoration and from the audio side alone i know the amount of time and work involved to convert all of that old analogue footage into digital footage to meet todays DVD quality standards would mount astronomical costs! You cant even imagine how much work actually goes into DVD production of that kind.
And they are right they would certainly not sell enough units to cover thier losses.
They only ever release the entire series DVDs of really popular shows like, The A Team or (K)nightrider!
If we are very lucky we may see a "Best Of Knightmare" DVD set
which would probably be 90 mins of edited moments.
but even still that is highly unlikely.
I really cant understand why so many of you have such a negative outlook on these ebay sets, you cant buy this programme anywhere else, and the people selling them are doing all the genuine fans a service.
I think some of you are trying to take the moral highground on this, and others have just followed suit not wishing to rock the boat.
Im totally against piracy of new unreleased movies or of DVD sets that are available to purchase from shops,
but i think there is a lot of room for debate when the show is:
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not available to purchase anywhere
-
never going to be released on DVD (sorry but its true)
-
over 10 years old
-
currently being re run on a really unpopular cable/sky channel
sorry if i sound a bit blunt but i really did love this show when i was growing up and the only people who would be interested in buying a set like this would be genuine fans like me, and without ebay i would not have been able to watch it this over this xmas holiday.
dont cut off your nose to spite your faces
all the best guys
100% agree. I'm a member of many forums, and all contain moderators/administrators who do take the moral high-ground of which you speak. People see those posts and then play along, because the general public are sheep.
I'm doubtless that people will take offence to that, but it's true.
Can you all say you have never sometimes disregarded elements of the law? Especially the smallest of small print or, as in this case, the situation of doing no harm?
Pirate copies of Knightmare are not taking profit away from the copyright holders because the copyright holders are not using the show to produce DVDs - I'd put my house on the statement that people who do buy pirate copies would buy an official release.
The official release is not going to happen, however much false hope circulates.
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