TAPE PIRACY
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One thing I can't work out is that he's selling all 8 series on 8 DVDs. That equates to 1 DVD per series.
Now, as far as I know, you can get up to 4 hours worth of footage onto a single DVD.
A standard DVD recorder will quite happily do 6 hours onto a disc. Still not enough for a 16-episode series, but if he's shoved the episode through some editing software (to remove adverts, for example) then it would be a simple matter to compress the recordings down to a lower quality so that one season could easily fit on a disc.
EDIT: Not that I'm condoning what's being done, just explaining how it's possible.
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Secondly, surely making copies of stuff you've recorded on TV and passing them on is no more illegal than recording the programmes and then lending the tape to a friend to watch?
And the thing is, strictly speaking, that is illegal.
Say you've got about 8 or 9 episodes recorded off the TV... is it illegal to keep them?
Yes. It's illegal to retain possession of any unauthorised recording beyond 72 hours. Whether it's morally acceptable is another matter.
From http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm
"A recording of a broadcast does not infringe copyright if it is made in your own home to watch later. For any other use you may need the permission for the rights holder, unless copyright exceptions apply."
So recording a programme off TV is a legal and authorised recording under UK law.
From http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law
"7. Restricted Acts
It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:
Copy the work.
Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.
Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.
Adapt the work.
- Acts that are allowed
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Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as 'time shifting'."
Emphasis mine. So lending a recording to your mates is not allowed, but there is no 72-hour restriction on watching a recording, at least in the UK.
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i would love to see the official release but not paying for someones dodgy copies
The 'dodgy' copies are of excellent viewing quality to be honest, and I can't see there being much pedantic law enforcement regarding this issue, whether it's illegal or not.
It's the old cliché, but it's true - there are real criminals out there who are up to no good. Are the police really going to waste resources to track people down who are selling DVDs of a kid's TV programme which is nearly 20 years old?
Laws can be quoted left right and centre, it's just a shame there is no charter for common sense in Britain.
The views expressed in this post do not neccesarily reflect those of the board.
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Sorry, but the only reason these people can sell this material on ebay is because people are buying it, ergo people want it.
If the company behind the show isn't going to release the material for sale and just sit on the IP then that's there problem. What sales are they losing out on? Future sales? If no one, anywhere, was even so much as bootlegging then the market would be registering zero interest for the product and they'd have even less reason to publish.
Frankly, unless someone publishes the damn thing I don't have the slightest sympathy for any of the companies or individuals involved. Release it, or stop complaining. Either way, I'm going to find a way to relive my happy memories, and if you're not going to provide that way then I will resort to ebay.
Basically, put up or shut up.
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have to agree. i too am against piracy when the media is already readily available, hense you are reducing the profits/revenue of the distributers/owners, but when something is clearly not going to be available - i dont see why not - its born out of fandom not malice.
i do however understand the mods, they have to keep the discussion legal, i bet they secretly have their own copies though!
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I got no doubt the mods and senior members will have their own copies but I can understand why they have to tread safely else this site itself could end up in legal trouble.
I just hope one day dvds become available until then I will have to make do with challenge.
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if you read my other topic you saw i was looking on ebay.co.uk for the knightmare board game and saw this one that is perfect : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130165750157
i looked more on ebay.co.uk for other knightmare things and i saw someone selling knightmare on dvd. i know it was not release on dvd in any country and it is not legale to sell pirate dvd :X. i think seller must also know it is not legale because he hides the names of people bidding for the dvd: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150173404823
i like looking on ebay but you must beware unhonest sellers like for the dvd.
sorry for bad english!
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Its money made easy, I couldn't buy anything with channel logos in the corners...
I'm wondering why people don't realise that.
Then again I'm thinking about the episodes upon YouTube. Doesn't that contraveine the rules a bit too?
(I'm trying not to ruin the fun BTW )
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I can't believe the members of this forum who have nothing better to do than report eBayer sellers. What losers. Now I'm looking for Knightmare on DVD and can't find any items on eBay. If there was an official release I'd buy that but since there isn't I'm left with scouring the internet for copies with no luck on eBay.
Please find something to do with your lives rather than spoiling things for hard core fans who now have to go without. I'm very angry about this.
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Sorry, VanZan, but I'm afraid that there were serious problems with the law over this matter around six or seven years ago, and since then it's become a no-go area. People nearly got into very serious trouble about profiteering from piracy, and those running websites about the series, many of whom had nothing to do with tape-trading, were among them. This is why we all tend to avoid the issue.
You mention an official release, but that's precisely what won't happen if pirate copies become abundant. This is why we tend to report the profiteers.
Sorry if this 'angers' you (whoever you are), but I suggest you take it up with Granada Media. If they say that they don't mind it, please let us know. If they don't say so, I for one will carry on reporting the eBay pirates.
Can I recommend you please read this...
... and also read the rest of this thread, as you aren't saying anything that hasn't been gone over many times before.
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