Series 7 - Episode 10
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I'm not sure bout Dice or Cinder - i reckon that it would be something to open a staircase/lift etc - if was S3 say then maybe dice, but as it's 7. bVa - any help here? Think it really is beginning to annoy people, myself included! Isn't the next ep where SPOILER ALERT*
Highlight here ---->Barry Comes In? if you want to read
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^ it wasn't for a staircase/lift it was to get across the Spikes.
how would you use letters to get across the spikes?
i considered the letters matching numbers, but 'I' is the 9th letter of the alphabet and the chessboard was 8*8.
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Does anyone think that this quest was distinctly more difficult than others in series 7, largely because they were older? I had trouble following the clues and plot myself - I certainly didn't tag on to what the team should have done in the stool room. This team definitely had the hardest job - a VERY tense quest.
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Quest 5 of Series 7 was recently raised in the 'quests u did not understand' thread.
Series 7, Quest 5 (Ben): not only can I not conjure what on Earth the spell they were collecting might be, other than perhaps the name of the troll, but would they then have had to cast it during the Trial by Spikes when the troll appears? How could it possibly help other than making the thing disappear or invisible?
Earlier in the series when Nicola's 'losing status' caught up with her, i.e. when she found herself in a dark room with no Nightsight, a troll arrived behind her, as if to emphasise that she had ventured up an infamous scatological creek without paddling apparatus. (An echo of what Grimwold did to Kelly in Series 3, possibly?) The troll that came up behind Ben may have been doing the same thing; or perhaps, as Grimaldine Grimwold speculated,
the troll was just imported because they didn't have the spell they'd need in a few rooms time, so there was no point in continuing.
I've come to the opinion that the spell would have been
D-e-v-I-C-e
And its purpose:
to open a staircase/lift etc
Lissard said that the spell was required "for access to Level Three", and the descender was referred to various times during Series 7, and earlier, as "the descendant device". Since the team collected C, I, missed at least one letter then collected D, it would have been an anagram, but a fairly obvious one once all the letters had been acquired. I imagine that the team would have reached a dead end, and casting DEVICE would have revealed the descender, as Hordriss' magic did for Team 3 of Series 7.
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I personally have just watched this episode again and belive they deserved to die I mean Majida made it clear there was NO spell path hidden there/
Also they daudled through level 2 so I reckon Timj decide to kill them off.
bong
ooh naaastiiee
It was a painful oh nasty too.
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See... in the earlier series, Ben would have just got through to wherever they needed to cast it, and been stuck, thus his life force running out. Ah, how times change.
I know I'm replying to a 10+ year old post but I agree with this.
It's one thing I dislike about the latter series. I do appreciate that it saves time and allows more teams the chance to play. So that's good.
But I dislike that the reason teams die in the game isn't ***actually ***the reason why they died. If that makes sense. And quite often the reason Treguard gives the team (and thus the viewer) isn't the real reason.
Once a team makes a wrong decision (e.g. taking incorrect clue items, failure to get a spell from a character, whatever) they'll simply be killed off in the next room rather than allow events to play out and be killed by the mistake they actually made.
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Once a team makes a wrong decision (e.g. taking incorrect clue items, failure to get a spell from a character, whatever) they'll simply be killed off in the next room rather than allow events to play out and be killed by the mistake they actually made.
That's true.
I remember Tim talking at some points about what makes for good TV. The stuck life force deaths in the earlier series could be seen as more deserving of illustrating what the teams did wrong, but I always found them a bit dull.
There's one team in Series 2 - can't recall which - who wandered in the wrong direction and ended up in an unescapable room, at which point Mogdred appeared ("Play a while. Play forever!") and they died instantly. That's good TV, as it's slightly more exciting than just having the team die. Later series deaths are like that too - including Ben's. If he was going to die anyway, why not make it a bit more exciting for the watchers by inserting the troll graphic?
I'm wondering what she spell might have been, when we have the letters CID. If there was only one more letter, I'm guessing it might have been DICE.
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I think that's a very reasonable guess!
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Due credit to TheBrollachan, who had already suggested it earlier in the thread:
Suppose that you may have to rearrange the letters plus the missing ones to make the word/spell.
So if the missing letter was "E" then the word/spell could be:
D-I-C-E
With no theory as to what a DICE spell would have done in this situation, and little challenge for the team in solving a four-letter anagram, my money is still on DEVICE.
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DEVICE seems more likely to me also from the clues pointed out earlier.
If Tim was in a particularly (ooh) nasty mood he may have given them two virtually impossible, (*nods to knowing readers) ways into level 3 and a DECIDE spell made one doable in some way.
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and little challenge for the team in solving a four-letter anagram
Oh you mean like "P-a-t-h" and "F-i-n-d" in the great causeway of level 3 in Series 6 as the final challenge before the quest object room? LOL. Indeed.
With that in mind, I can easily believe it to be DICE.
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There's absolutely nothing to indicate number of letters here be it 4 or 6. There is equally nothing to suggest anything chance-like such as DICE but Lissard's plan hints much more to DEVICE.
Quote: 'one of which the kidsies need for access to level 3'
Thanks to David earlier for pointing this much more clearly than me!
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You're right; with no way of knowing if there were any more rooms following the Trial by Spikes (and, if so, how many), it's impossible to guess. My guess of DICE was based on the idea that whatever was in the room with two stools was needed to complete a spell in its entirety.
I don't think that that's what it would have done, on watching this again. Needless to say the troll was just introduced to give the team a more dramatic death, since life force running out probably wasn't really a reasonable threat in series 6. I'm not sure any spell would need to be used in the middle of a floor puzzle to get rid of a troll (unless it was DICE and the troll would have been sliced into little pieces, but that's incredibly unlikely!).
If Tim was in a particularly (ooh) nasty mood he may have given them two virtually impossible, (*nods to knowing readers) ways into level 3 and a DECIDE spell made one doable in some way.
I like that idea. David's idea of DEVICE might also work, as in: empty room, reveal the Descendor.
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