Ah don't read too much into it man just look at it and the facts why it happened - they wanted a winning quest desperatly to end the series so they fixed it for em.

On series 3 I watched Leo and Martins quests again - they both lost so cruelly although I actually knew Martins riddle dead easy I knew the answer as a kid too STAG alonge gave it away it was a species of Beetle. Shame they did not realise it, they totally deserved to win.

It was cruel of the producers to let em go so far on after to kill them in the penultimate room.

I DO THINK Leos team were robbed through that was a ghastly riddle. Such a shame and if Only Martin knew BEETLE they would have changed history, Shot Morghanna in the eye with a pin and gone on and won the quest.

I looked at s5 youtube clip I suppose they should have picked up the Hint BRIBE and realised gold = bribery Ariadne did not give them any time though but to just grab the horn out of sheer random ness when they had the hint to bribe I guess ... tough, lol. but never mind it made for a good death. LOVELLLY

Were they? I don't remember that i'll have to throw my tape in of series 5 and have a look.

Giles team was Robbed the most they were probably 2 more rooms from Victory!

Next room after transporter they would own up Mogdread with a TINY spell and pick up the cup in the next chamber. ( WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONLY TIME WE SAW THE CUP TOO ).

It was disgusting and I bet they are still peeved now - they could have easily let them finish it and just edit out some of Treguard and Pickles Banter!, Muppets lol.

S4 team 1 - BUT? How on earth were they even supposed to even think of using that when its Humble?

Your against a feary enemy you need power to match up there was no hints NOT to use Transformation.

S4 team 5 - the whole backwards thing was stupid in the riddles but having said that I doubt they would have got past the B & T anyway lol.

S3 Martin should have got the nod maybe Leo too all that hard work and one stupid little error cost them in penultimate room, both very unfair in the context of how leniant the show became years later. And their Riddles were stinkers.

S3 Scotts team they did not do a bad jump at all and he clearly landed ok yet the producers killed him anyway for not having the first step - STUPID.

S5 - team 2 they had No time after the spyglass viewing to think what to take since Ariadne came up instantly making them hastily pick 2 items with no time for thought!

S6 team 6 despite not getting the Diploma they were even denied the chance to guess their way across the causeway with the food there to hold them up and a double speed frightknight timer the production crew were taking no chances of them getting through via guessing.

( even though team 5 guessed a bit too due to Ariadne not letting them read the whole scroll I guess, Either that or they just had to figure it out)

Can't think of anyone else - everyone else who has died has failed due to their own stupidity somewhere along the line.

As for Gideons team in series 8 they were not robbed they were having to do the COB exactly the same way as everyone before them had to - blind. I

f they had not panicked and got themselves together and passed it I am sure they would not have paid a penalty for not taking the sight potion since Treguard clearly hinted it was for that.

The only teams really who could be forgiven in the COB are season 4 teams especially team 2 they were the very first people to enter the COB they had no idea what to expect at all.

Everyone else should have done homework after that series.

I still belive the SPRINT spell was for ariadne

And that they could have done the block and tackle just like other teams had before but they panicked so ...... heh.

Thats the second time you see a pooka actually - Simons team was the first to meet one.

But yes those green turnip things later on were horrible.

Most people are gonna say series 3 coz they are so purest and the series was totally unforgiving had a unfair death probably a couple actually. No let offs like in other series and No eye shield. Oh and the fact no one won .

My fave series be 4 & 6 anyway.

Series 4 level 3 was good in Giles quest since they got everything COB , Bridge, B n T, Transporter(even though season ended). And even Mogdread appeared lovely.

Series 5 was kinda short and had no real trouble.

Series 6 one was alright when they had cob and big causeway etc.

Series 3 was good too especially Ross quest where they died.

Kellys!

Series 3 had the best ending. Treguard's look forever captured on the KM website in the series 3 clips never ceases to make me laugh.

Worst is series 4. C'mon, let them win! Oh, you spoilsports! Flip off, Merlin! It isn't Christmas!

And remember my classic caption for that treguard pic...... so fitting .

Ill repeat it here for old time sake

http://www.knightmare.com/series/3/170.jpg

I CAN'T BELIVE ITS NOT BUTTER!!!!!

Best end is series 6.

Most unfair was series 4 since Giles team IMO were way too far in to be pulled out at that stage they coulda had a fixed win like barry meh.

Worst series 1 of course it just ended after the team dying.

Series 4 just has that really outdoor creepy feel about it IMO the were wolves , assasins and stuff all helped add to the atmosphere though the B and T really shoulda seen another season or so.

Anyway keep posting guys im having a good read :-).

Deserved to win - yes

But this is series 3 so everythings harsh so they got done out of winning coz of 1 mistake just like leo. - those guys must fume seeing later series .

I wanted to use that stupid fish as a tennis racket .

Man why all this series 4 hate I quite like it its dark and moody unlike series 5. Plus series 4 was beggining of seeing corridor of blades and the B n T Has priceless moments.

The reason 4 gets so much stick is because after series 3 people can't take it that its entirely different and its been made much easier granted that is true however what you need to remember is series 4 was just the beggining of the build up for series 6.

series 1 2 & 3 are similar concept inside the dungeon and all rooms are in the 3 series at some stage.

Series 1 begins it all series 2 added improvements and series 3 took everything good from 1 and 2 plus its own features to make it th best of the original km trilogy If ya like.

Then the second era begins the pickle era new technology has come present and they are experimenting new ideas including outdoor surroundings using real life locations and then adding colour edits to sharpen the mood series 4 and 5 were experiements in a way and the good things from series 4 and 5 (Ie causeways etc though the B n T should have seen another season or two) were all improved and put in series 6 along with that series other own new features it made it the overall best of that outdoor trilogy.

Series 7 technology has really come on along way there and we see alot of scenery for outdoors now is actually computer generated and completly fictional this is kinda of a outdoor series all in its own right and nothing really obstacle wise is in it from the previous 3 seasons has new challenges instead.

Series 8 is a indoor series all in its own right too since nothing from the original 3 is in series 8.

I posted this in the worst series thread but I actually think this could make a good topic all of its own talking about how series 1 2 3 are a trilogy and how they build up for 3 the big pay off.

4 5 6 are a set which build up with 6 being the payoff of that era.

And 7 & 8 are kinda a indivdual series all updated brand new stuff but based upon the concepts of earlier seasons IE series 7 off 4 5 & .6 out door and series 8 with indoor concept of 1 2 & 3.

Man why all this series 4 hate I quite like it its dark and moody unlike series 5 which doesnt seem moody and dark at all.

And series 6 is one of the best if not the best series of KM there is.

The reason 4 gets so much stick is because after series 3 people can't take it that its enitrely different and its been made much easier granted that is true however what you need to remember is series 4 was just the begging of the build up for series 6.

series 1 2 & 3 are similar concept inside the dungeon and all rooms are in the 3 series at some stage.

Series 1 begins it all series 2 added improvements and series 3 took everything good from 1 and 2 plus its own features to make it th best of the original km trilogy If ya like.

Then the second era begins the pickle era new technology has come present and they are experimenting new ideas including outdoor surroundings using real life locations and then adding colour edits to sharpen the mood series 4 and 5 were experiements in a way and the good things from series 4 and 5 (Ie causeways etc though the B n T should have seen another season or two) were all improved and put in series 6 along with that series other own new features it made it the overall best of that outdoor trilogy.

Series 7 technology has really come on along way there and we see alot of scenery for outdoors now is actually computer generated and completly fictional this is kinda of a outdoor series all in its own right and nothing really obstacle wise is in it from the previous 3 seasons has new challenges instead.

Series 8 is a indoor series all in its own right too since nothing from the original 3 is in series 8.

On series 4 you can see Graffitti on the walls as they go down the steps to level 3 infact I think even one of dickens advisers mentions it.

The fire extinguisher was another obvious thing that shouldnt have been there surely this could have been removed unlike the grafitti on the walls this extinguisher was perfectly removable.

Oh well anyway

for those who haven't seen a grayling heres a picture...

http://www.knightmare.com/series/7/148.jpg

Like I said totally reminds me of the days of assassins now imagine those in dwarf tunnels muhahahhaah.

Infact years ago when I first saw this series and I saw brother strange for first time I thought he was a assassin lol.

That thing kinda reminds you of the days of assassins with the scare it away type thing.