KNIGHTMARE Unfairness

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Fair enough i agree with the last guy.

when i entitled this thread KM unfairness i phrased myself wrongly.

I'm not neccessarily saying outright that KM was unfair i was just saying that quite clearly some teams had it harder than others.

I'm arguing- as the last person said that MOST of the winning teams ( NOT ALL) had a relatively easy ride. thats all i'm really saying

Malefact

I see what you mean. I notice that teams get a slightly differing amount of information in Clue Rooms. For two correct riddles, some teams found out which object not to take and some didn't. Also, there have been occasions when a clue object hasn't been needed. There again, no two quests are identical. It is possible that the game was tweaked as it went along but there was probably no option but to take the pragmatic approach - this sort of thing hadn't been done before. If series 1, for example, had remained as difficult as it was at the start, I doubt the last team would have reached Level Three - they didn't have to answer any of Cedric's riddles, for one thing.

Kieran

I find that Simons team got it rather easy in S4, if I am not mistaken Oakley gives them their clues without asking any questions (it is one team from that season)

But they did, famously, get the Block & Tackle!

Forester

Thanks HSTORM you a legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shouldn't that be "HStorm of Legend"?

Kieran

He's made out of stone now?

I think it was unfair when our good wall monster in S1 decided to have air problems....It could have easily put the team off their dinner, hence they'd lose their concentration!

HStorm

No, largely made out of fatty tissue, as usual. $:-\$

Raven

You have to remember they alternate the dungeon. In the early series' he would say something like 'The dungeon is always changing, so any prior knowlewdge of it will be useless'.

Fidjit

Oh Superspurs, I'm sorry for my poor attitude toward you yesterday... I was wrong all way round and I feel absolutley stupid!

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This is an interesting twist in your intentions Fidjit.

I suspect a deception?

This epic feud between me and you must continue.

Only one of us will get to Level 3 and BEYOND

Fidjit

Arkay...

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I made an argument about the producers making it it harder for certain teams. Well something interesting has come to the fore which i forgot to mention.

If you watch KM you'll notice that on a couple of occasions (ESPECIALLY IN LATER SEASONS) teams took items from the clueroom and they never had to use them to get through the level. Theres something dodgy about that. Obviously one of the fundamental elements of KM is that you need to pick (the right) 2 clue objects to survive a level.So why were several teams able to complete a level without using a clue object.

It seems that a team may have blundered BUT the production team let them off for it and found a way of letting them complete the level anyway.

Raven

The dungeon has different paths doesn't it? It always has more than 1 door, they could also be used to 'throw them off the scent'.

Malefact

I made an argument about the producers making it it harder for certain teams. Well something interesting has come to the fore which i forgot to mention.

If you watch KM you'll notice that on a couple of occasions (ESPECIALLY IN LATER SEASONS) teams took items from the clueroom and they never had to use them to get through the level. Theres something dodgy about that. Obviously one of the fundamental elements of KM is that you need to pick (the right) 2 clue objects to survive a level.So why were several teams able to complete a level without using a clue object.

It seems that a team may have blundered BUT the production team let them off for it and found a way of letting them complete the level anyway.

LETS HAVE SOME RESPONSE TO THIS. ANY ONE WITH ANY THEORIES ABOUT THIS OR INDEED DOES ANYONE (TIM CHILD) HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO THIS.

One possibility springs to mind. Take Julian's team in series 2. In Level One, the quill was never used - he left it on the side of the Wellway en route to Level Two. So, the quill in itself didn't really do anything. However, perhaps the fact that they were carrying it was the factor. If they'd taken the dagger, perhaps it would have scared off some of the characters they'd have met and therefore not got the information they needed? Perhaps it's a case of the choice of object not to take being important.

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NOT a bad theory malefact.

So i take it you dont suspect the producers of manipulating things like i suggested.

Avace

As there were choices to be made on the path to take, is it possible that any two of the clue items "could" be required for the quest if certain paths were chosen?

Raven

They could have taken out a few unimportant scenes in order to fit the episode into the series, but noooo.

HStorm

Very unlikely. In truth, the game was far more linear than it appeared, even in the early seasons, and when Treguard told the first team in S1 "There is no 'correct' route through the dungeon..." he was fibbing. There was always a right exit from a chamber and any others were probably lethal (or in some cases led to exactly the same place - Ariadne's lair had three exits in s2, and they all seemed to lead to Merlin's library judging by the different quests).

Raven

There was sometimes indication of which door to go through. Remember one team ended up dieing because they went left instead of right.

keke

when was that death?

also i wonder what happened to the missing series 1 footage of the last team in level 2. lots of the rooms were never seen as they took clue objects and then they were gone by level 3. i'd love to see all of their quest and see how well they used the objects. hmm fire bell....

Thanatos

Barry's quest was NOT fixed. Neither was Dunstan's. I have watched both dungeoneers' progress through the Corridor of Blades closely, carefully and repeatedly and on no occasion was either hit by a blade. See http://www.talkknightmare.co.uk/yabbse/http://www.knightmare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1;action=display;threadid=1378;start=msg25574#msg25574 and N.B. the messages by me and Mystara.